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The computer science degree isn’t dead

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Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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This may be a cynical take, but as someone with 10+ years of experience why should I care if companies are too short sighted to value and train juniors?

Because eventually you'll get to the point where you've too much work to do and there's not enough people to delegate it to.

Hope you like being overworked!

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you draw the line on that attitude? Do you not care about global warming because in your lifetime, you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live?

> Where do you draw the line on that attitude? I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth. > Do you not care about global warming because you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live in your lifetime? Correct. I don’t care about global warming or climate change.

Do you believe in ethics or morality?

If I decide you're having a negative impact on my net worth, can I come to your home and shoot you in the head?

It seems we need a remedial class in morality here, where we work up to you understanding the golden rule. But perhaps you're not capable of understanding that. Is euthanizing you then the only option?

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#13
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> The Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently placed unemployment for recent CS graduates in the United States at 6.1 percent, with computer engineering graduates at 7.5 percent. Compared to philosophy majors at 3.2 percent and art history graduates at 3.0 percent, those figures look alarming. Alarming doesn’t begin to describe it. This is an existential crises for our industry. The situation for entry level has be…

I think we're going to see a big scramble to pick up the pieces in a few years when a bunch of vibe-slopped houses of cards come crashing down. I imagine it will be like the demand for COBOL developers but on a much more massive scale.

A few major failures will scare the risk mitigating bejesus out of some kinds of businesses, but maybe AI will be better than us at fixing those kinds of problems by then.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#14
My impression is that in the past year or so, IEEE journals have been leaning pretty heavily into low-quality, AI-generated articles. And looks like this author produced not one, not two, but three career advice columns in a single day - impressive:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/u/brian-jenney

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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> The Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently placed unemployment for recent CS graduates in the United States at 6.1 percent, with computer engineering graduates at 7.5 percent. Compared to philosophy majors at 3.2 percent and art history graduates at 3.0 percent, those figures look alarming. Alarming doesn’t begin to describe it. This is an existential crises for our industry. The situation for entry level has be…

Oh good lord not that statistic again. Left unstated is what jobs philosophy and art history majors take. There's more computer scientists working in computer science than there are philosophy or art history majors working in philosophy or art history.

The article mentions this. Unsurprisingly, the CS grads are more likely to get jobs that require a degree.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

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post #9
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you draw the line on that attitude? Do you not care about global warming because in your lifetime, you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live?

> Where do you draw the line on that attitude? I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth. > Do you not care about global warming because you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live in your lifetime? Correct. I don’t care about global warming or climate change.

> I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth.

That is a really interesting admission upon which to evaluate your other comments here…

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#18
post #5

This may be a cynical take, but as someone with 10+ years of experience why should I care if companies are too short sighted to value and train juniors?

You're framing it like they're making a mistake, so if they are, yeah that's not good for you either.

Idk though, really seems like the "AI layoffs" are just corps shedding headcount bloat accumulated in 2020-23.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#19
If one is thinking about not getting a degree and trying to go straight to work, as someone who did so (albiet out of poverty rather than choice) but didn't end up like Zuck, please heed my warning:

Social capital matters more than just about anyone who has a degree can understand and tell you or mentor you about, because the majority of them have always had it, and they tend not even to interact with people without it.

It is a signal about your wealth (and your families ability to deploy it for you), from which follows your stability, your intelligence, your taste, your willingness to play the game, and your belonging in the club. These matter more than EVER in the business world - I've never seen a time when tech is less about engineering than right now.

Re: The computer science degree isn’t dead

#20
post #5

This may be a cynical take, but as someone with 10+ years of experience why should I care if companies are too short sighted to value and train juniors?

Because eventually you'll get to the point where you've too much work to do and there's not enough people to delegate it to. Hope you like being overworked!

It's a self-solving problem, though. At that point, every remaining senior+ engineer will be paid a bajillion dollars (like they are now) and companies will start to invest in actual training.
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