AI should be used for all the bullshit tasks that no one wants to do. There are garbage dumps full of stuff that can be reused and recycled. But it's not high enough ROI to pay someone $25/h to sort trash, so it isn't happening.
"Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it that unfortunate? Tasks that don't require high-quality translation now don't need human labor. We should be celebrating. The sad part is that we haven't figured out how to distribute our resources fairly to these people even thought their services aren't required as often. Instead we just take their wages and give them to the top 0.1%
It’s unfortunate because we are seeing more poor translations in all domains, and users suffer from it. It’s part of a general enshittification of things. There are few contexts where low-quality translations don’t constitute a degradation of user experience. Just one amusing example I saw recently: On the Amazon website, a submit button labeled “Go” in English was translated to something which when translated back w…
On the other hand, a bridge sign that says "No entry for heavy vehicles" is unlikely to now read "I am out of office for the next 2 weeks" in Welsh: https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2008/nov/01/5
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#123I have no doubt that the writer is better at translating than AI, but I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good that I'm not sure how much longer translation work will be there, or rather it might end up being more about auditing. For example, I just read the Lawrence Ellsworth translation of The Three Musketeers, which I very thoroughly enjoyed. I don't speak or read French, but from my understanding Ells…
> … considered one of the more accurate translations of the work.
I think you’re missing a big point of translating literary works. A purely “accurate”, phrase-by-phrase translation is often not very good; the actual literary style, the feeling and the allusions and references, often get lost that way. A good translation of literary work requires a lot of deliberate choices by the translator to deviate from literal translations in ways that convey the style of the original, or an extra layer of meaning that would be lost by an “accurate” translation of a phrase. Also, being consistent with these choices matters a lot, which OP claims LLMs are less good at.
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#124I have no doubt that the writer is better at translating than AI, but I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good that I'm not sure how much longer translation work will be there, or rather it might end up being more about auditing. For example, I just read the Lawrence Ellsworth translation of The Three Musketeers, which I very thoroughly enjoyed. I don't speak or read French, but from my understanding Ells…
As somebody who regularly reads translated works, including the occasional machine translation (MTL), they (MTL) suck. You got a hugely biased result, which you recognize.
Translation is hard. If you're familiar with reading translations from specific languages MTL works have a very specific smell to them, it's a bit hard to describe but it's there. A good translation is miles (kilometers, for those outside of the US) above MTL.
That's not to say that perhaps the latest LLMs will have better translation abilities, but that they are generally crap currently. Maybe they are fine for something very short, but absolutely not for longer content.
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#125unfortunately this person will soon be unemployed.
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#126unfortunately this person will soon be unemployed.
not because their skills are no longer relevant, but because they are taking a principled stance defending now irrelevant skills.
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#127> If you ask me, nothing can save downtown Ottawa or North American public transit.
Come to Montreal. Only 2H away and you can get by decently well without a car.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google Translate is at the bottom of the barrel. All other AI translation tools are vastly superior. You'd want to evaluate those, and forget about Google Translate completely.
It's all the same, except LLMs are less precise with names.
Just like a car and a school bus are the same because both have four wheels?
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#129Out of curiosity, I pasted an article in French I was reading a few minutes before coming across this thread into ChatGPT and asked for a translation into English. It was certainly passable from a functional perspective, and I wouldn't hesitate to use it to translate an article from a language I don't understand. But it was not professional-quality work. There were a couple instances where the French grammar was mist…
I think the issue is that a lot of professional work is being done when the commissioner would be perfectly fine with non professional work. There will always be a place for artful translation, theres a place for hasty translation as well.
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#130Any expert in any field will gladly tell you that ML sucks for specifics of their field (and it does). But if you are not an expect in that field, it looks convincing enough to make you think that maybe it is OK for that field, and your field is somehow unique. It is not. Any expect in any field will confirm to you that ML produces plausible-looking slop which is occasionally completely wrong. This is the case for all fields.