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Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #18

Congratulations to the US. I'm sure it must be nice to have a trillionaire I wish my country had a trillionaire. That would give my day to day life meaning

It's not like his checking account has $1T in it, this is just a technicality that sums up all of the hypothetical value of the shares he owns in companies. If he actually tried to sell it and turn it into cash it would be less than $1T.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like his checking account has $1T in it, this is just a technicality that sums up all of the hypothetical value of the shares he owns in companies. If he actually tried to sell it and turn it into cash it would be less than $1T.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

Do people do that? Can I e.g. borrow against my assets and not pay any taxes? Curious to learn more.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

#23
post #11

The stock, and subsequently the stock market, is so detached from reality. For the life of me, I can’t understand why investors will literally put a 100x premium on Musk, and the things he touches. I feel like I’m living in some alternative universe.

If you're right, that's great news for you, as you can make tons of money buying Spacex puts

If the market is detached from reality then you very much cannot. It's like you weren't even listening.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

Do people do that? Can I e.g. borrow against my assets and not pay any taxes? Curious to learn more.

I mean people get mortgages and carry credit card balances and do margin trading and get helocs. If those are taxable I might need to call the IRS.

For the uber rich it is called "buy-borrow-die".

And this is why the idea of a wealth tax has so many tres comas types up in arms.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #3

I've read somewhere that even some janitors / lunch ladies became millionaires from their shares. Looking then at the great performance of some other stocks, I really wonder where we're headed

Something like ~500 new millionaires is what i've read on x.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

Do people do that? Can I e.g. borrow against my assets and not pay any taxes? Curious to learn more.

When you get a loan you don't pay taxes. You pay taxes on the income used to pay it back, or the gains when you sell an asset to pay it back.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like his checking account has $1T in it, this is just a technicality that sums up all of the hypothetical value of the shares he owns in companies. If he actually tried to sell it and turn it into cash it would be less than $1T.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

If you borrow against it you still have to pay interest. If he somehow found someone to loan him $1T, which would probably be practically impossible, the interest would make the total amount he got less than $1T.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

Do people do that? Can I e.g. borrow against my assets and not pay any taxes? Curious to learn more.

You won't pay taxes but you will pay interest. Most forms of value (real estate, gold, stocks, your car) you can borrow against in the USA, but the interest you pay almost always makes it a dumb idea.

Re: Elon Musk Becomes First Trillionaire as SpaceX Starts Trading

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like his checking account has $1T in it, this is just a technicality that sums up all of the hypothetical value of the shares he owns in companies. If he actually tried to sell it and turn it into cash it would be less than $1T.

Yeah but he can borrow against it and not pay any taxes.

Same as anyone else with a HELOC, asset secured loan, etc. You have to pay loans back, which is why they're not taxed as income.
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