Live data from Hacker News

What the fuck happened to nerds

mrmarket.bearblog.dev

81–90 of 118 posts

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#81

100% agreed. I saw it somewhere else that the tech industry has burned all the transformative good will it had earned over the years and is now seen as the key villain in joblessness, societal discord and loneliness. What the fuck did happen? Edit: this isn't just an old man thing, this is the new generation saying this

> the transformative good will it had earned over the years

Had it? The last time I felt like it did was mid-00s with Google, but I was a teenager back then and it's easy to be naive when you're a teenager.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#82
What happened was the set of available moves and rewards has incrementally changed. What has not changed is that nerds are humans, and humans are terrible at resisting increases in status, power, wealth, etc. If the glorified nerds of the past had been offered the same roads to status and power, they would have taken them.

This reminds me of the way people think of the olden days when stuff was made of real wood and metal as "we had integrity! people built things to last!", projecting intentionality and generosity onto to the same machinery that built agent orange or rube goldberg machines for cigarette smoke to avoid liability for killing millions of people. We didn't build things out of metal because we had integrity, we did it because we didn't yet have advanced petroleum-derived plastics and shit. If they did, they'd have done that instead.

Reminds me of the difference between "peaceful" (capable of harm, electing not to be harmful) and "harmless" (incapable of harm even if you wanted to). I think it's a mistake to imagine the nerds of the past as peaceful. In terms of status, power acquisition, etc, they were harmless. Had you handed them the tools and understanding of today, they'd have acted no different, IMO.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#83
post #82

What happened was the set of available moves and rewards has incrementally changed. What has not changed is that nerds are humans, and humans are terrible at resisting increases in status, power, wealth, etc. If the glorified nerds of the past had been offered the same roads to status and power, they would have taken them. This reminds me of the way people think of the olden days when stuff was made of real wood and…

completely agree re: the average human, of any time period, with the same options, will make roughly the same choices - especially in the face of powerful incentives.

the tl;dr though of my article is that, DESPITE these absurdly attractive short-term incentives, it is in each individual company's best interest as well as the best interest of the tech industry as a whole to return to the public narrative of nerd values: passion for niche interests, obsessive, loving relationship w/ one's intellectual work, and humility re: talking about yourself/being 'in the spotlight'. the Founders' Fund MAFIA video in particular was a bad move because it ran counter to the idea, however delusional, that founders would prefer to spend time on their work than being influencers.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#85
There's always been mean nerds and happy nerds. The mean nerds have a chip on their shoulder, are insecure, and are trying to prove something. I had a boss like this - he blew up at me in private because I disagreed with him in a meeting with the partners, as if I have to support him in anything he says or does. Lol. As if.

I've never had a happy nerd boss because they seem to be content to be my coworker instead.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#86
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think Zuckerberg is only evil because he's getting evil advice from his banks?

I’m pretty certain they are not a moderating force. I think the lead-up dot-com bubble its subsequent burst and the following hunt for unicorns was begot by a different breed of people than those pursuing the technology sector before them. After the Netscape IPO more people started going into CS as a way to get a foot in the door to massive riches rather than the pursuit of technology as a way to solve human problems…

> After the Netscape IPO...

The Netscape IPO happened 31 years ago. Over half of all Americans alive today were either in elementary school or not around yet.

It's the equivalent of someone in the 2000s trying to enforce standards and norms from the 1950s-60s.

The reality is, the tech industry has essentially always been like this, and any period in the 1980s or early 90s that y'all look back to just isn't actionable in 2026 and fails to understand how different Americans are today versus when you started in the tech industry.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#87

100% agreed. I saw it somewhere else that the tech industry has burned all the transformative good will it had earned over the years and is now seen as the key villain in joblessness, societal discord and loneliness. What the fuck did happen? Edit: this isn't just an old man thing, this is the new generation saying this

Technologists don't control technology, and many technologists foolishly think that staying out of politics is some kind of virtue, just like how people scientists should only science. Then we find that scientists don't control science anymore. Politics is about the negotiation of control.

>_foolishly_ think that staying out of politics is some kind of virtue

Sounds like a very bold assertion to me.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#88
post #7

100% agreed. I saw it somewhere else that the tech industry has burned all the transformative good will it had earned over the years and is now seen as the key villain in joblessness, societal discord and loneliness. What the fuck did happen? Edit: this isn't just an old man thing, this is the new generation saying this

To be terse but generalizing a bit, technologists used to want to solve problems and make things easier. At some point, under the influence of MBAs it became how do we make loads of money leveraging technology’s network effects?

Generally the MBAs and money have been in control since before the 1980s, maybe since 10 years ago in web tech. A difference in 2026 is the politicians allow them to do whatever they want.

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where the self-identifier of "nerd" as "I don't care that I don't know how to make people like me" is given precedence over "I care more about esoteric knowledge than about how to make people like me" I no longer really give a rat's ass whether people like me anymore, because a lifetime of being bullied over nothing more than my choice of hobby/career has taught me that I'm just gonna be widely hated for simply enj…

Bro, welcome to the human condition. This is literally everyone . Not just you. You can however choose to be a geek, a quirky person, or a nerd, unproductive and not showering because you don't care if you offend others (and then being angry when others treat you like someone who doesn't shower). It's hard and hurts, I get that. Relationships are hard. Not assuming everyone hates you is hard. Not assuming one throwaw…

[dead]

Re: What the fuck happened to nerds

#90
post #5

20 years in and my coworkers are about the same. What's changed is the public perception. Arguably because of the media https://x.com/i/status/1588231892792328192

You don't think tech leaders have changed at all, in any way?

I don't there's any reasonable way to have a conversation about trends when you're only talking about a dozen famous people.

Yes Elon lost his marbles but my colleagues have not suddenly become "tech bro" that we constantly hear about today.

Post reply on HN