Hilarious. Love the punishing of rogue agents and their operators. But I can bet there will be collateral damage along the way.
AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
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#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well fair enough, although I find that rather surprising. If I understand you correctly selling anything more expensive than cheap food to a child carries a high degree of risk in Germany. Then again, maybe making it impossible for a child to pawn expensive items for cash isn't such a bad idea. At least there shouldn't be any loopholes given the way Germany went about it.
Doing any business at all in Germany carries extreme business risk, by American standards. The attitude of Germans seems to be to just live with it and maybe get insurance. If you just have to accept courts will void 1% of your transactions (costing another 2% in legal fees) then you just make everything 5% more expensive to cover it. This is why there's not much big tech in Germany. A single legal dispute can theore…
> If you just have to accept courts will void 1% of your transactions (costing another 2% in legal fees) then you just make everything 5% more expensive to cover it.
That's an absurd exaggeration in regard to the issue at hand. Almost certainly far less than 1% of purchases by minors are voided, and NONE of those involve legal fees unless the seller chooses to go to court rather than refund.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet money that there are overall far less purchases refunded in Germany than in the USA.
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#443This is so funny and it just keeps getting stupider
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m just a lowly dev and don’t have experience with seeing the bills from cloud providers for a whole org. Can you (or someone) shed some light to help me understand how this would ramp up to millions? Both for curiosity’s sake, and to make sure my self-deployed projects (0 AI, all manually configured) don’t bankrupt me.
Excluding server costs, having that 100Gbps on egress can cost $50k a day. since it's a very high-margin product, AWS support would probably refund or reduce that to hundreds. Not sure how you get to millions either.
Why would AWS refund 100Gbps on egress since the account actively used that bandwidth? AWS would not know if this is legitimate traffic, a (D)DoS or whatever...
At most I think you could negotiate CloudFront rates, but even then, the sob story would be if you had been DDoSed and got hit with this traffic and AWS failed to protect you from this attack. Actively creating the outbound traffic is something that I don't see how AWS would be sympathetic to providing any refunds.
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#445> I have deployed five AWS m8g.12xlarge instances. Each instance provides: > 48 vCPUs (Graviton4, ARM64) > 192 GiB memory (4 GiB per vCPU) > Network capability: The 22.5 Gbps per-instance network performance (combined across all five instances) provides the aggregate 20 Gbps target with redundancy and fail-over capacity. Oh wow. Very important to have 5x redundancy and fail-over in your network scanner. Especially be…
At least it was considerate enough to cap traffic to any single IP at 5000 Mbps :).
Typical DN42 interconnects are 1Gbps with unspecified bandwidth caps. It's not made to carry serious traffic at all. For a real ISP, 5000 Mbps these days is nothing unless it's all concentrated on the same last mile - the smallest links they use are usually now 10Gbps. But DN42 isn't the real internet.
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#446> I have deployed five AWS m8g.12xlarge instances. Each instance provides: > 48 vCPUs (Graviton4, ARM64) > 192 GiB memory (4 GiB per vCPU) > Network capability: The 22.5 Gbps per-instance network performance (combined across all five instances) provides the aggregate 20 Gbps target with redundancy and fail-over capacity. Oh wow. Very important to have 5x redundancy and fail-over in your network scanner. Especially be…
I mean you can get that for like 300 p/m at hetzner
100Gbps? I don't think so? I'd expect a thousand a month for the adapter and connection, and then around $1.50/TB as per their standard price (including currency conversion and VAT), which is to say, $1.00 per minute of saturated usage.
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#447> aren't private circuits in to AWS really expensive ? maybe Lan Tian can pursuade it to start engaging with AWS with a 3 year commitment
oh my god this is a gem
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#448Just looking at the language in the begging for donations it's probably a non-native English speaker whose first language may lack articles and/or allow omitted subjects. The part that threw me off is putting the currency symbol at the end. I wonder what places do that...
In Russia at least. Perhaps in some post-Soviet countries (not sure)
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#449No one is going to be bankrupted over a $6500 AWS bill. I did a major F-up a few years, letting a key get pushed to a public repo, resulting in instant pwnage and $50k in charges from AWS due to crypto miners being launched. We communicated to AWS, did some work on our part to demonstrate that we put in proper safeguards and auditing, and they removed the charges.
They already talked to AWS and had the bill cut down to ~1800 dollars from ~6300, but they legitimately launched those processes instead of having the key stolen so the cost reduction is understandably less generous in those situations. Also potentially the agent was able to connect to more open networks and might have been running jobs on them incurring legitimate costs.
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#450> JertLinc3522: the mistake was from AI agent not from Human, since it was the agent I should have refund Expensive way to learn this lesson.
This has to be trolling, right? I find it hard to believe that anyone, no matter how dense, could come to this conclusion after this whole saga.
I think you're overestimating the quality of American education. 40% of graduates can't read or write.