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Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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This is presented as an interesting and kind of positive take on the AI going to surprising lengths to “solve the problem.” But I couldn’t help thinking of the paperclip factory while I was reading this :/

Yeah I was thinking of The Sorcerer’s Apprentice.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Things I learned from this: - Fable will do a whole lot more than you might expect in order to verify a fix. I learned that it's "relentlessly proactive". That's a good title for a blog entry! - You can take screenshots of a window in macOS using the "screencapture" CLI command, but you'll need the integer window ID first. - That windowID is accessible via "Quartz.CGWindowListCopyWindowInfo(Quartz.kCGWindowListOption…

> If you pay attention to what it's doing you can learn so much! I think your post is fair but it's worth pointing out that learning via watching is much less effective than learning via doing.

It leads to less cohesive shared vision on how to solve problems. In groups where I am trying to foster a shared technical vision, I try to get people to do “see one, do one, teach one” for procedures that are common enough to come up repeatedly (and as a method for discovery for where automation would be a bigger win). Pure green-fields software dev sometimes is doing such novel things that that doesn’t work well, but much of routine software maintenance is discovery of the steps needed to add a new flow or a new customer type or a new configurable behavior, which benefit from consistency.

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As someone who actually gives a shit about the environment and global warming and has been putting this into practice for more than a decade through daily personal sacrifices: no, I downvote it because if you properly look into it, AI is just completely insignificant compared to cars, air travel, clothing, food, needless junk and so on that it's a joke. It's always brought up by people who never cared, but now preten…

Have you heard of "rebound effect"? Sure you can say, individually, one query is not that much... but then it becomes integrated in search engines, so suddenly when there was no queries at all, now there's 500 billions per day, and it gets included in your CICD at every commit, and soon enough in your OS, etc

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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That's an interesting choice as a source. It doesn't mention climate change or human impacts at all and describes El Niño as a naturally occurring event. > The El Nino is a phenomenon that occurs naturally

El Niño has been occurring naturally for more than 10,000 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o%E2%80%93Southern_...

The frequency and magnitude of the event is directly related to the warming up of climate

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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As an actually head of product I found Fable to be like an over active intern. Going down long wasteful lines of production well past market, business, user, or contextual insights had.

Then sort of spewing out some nonsense totally mis calibrated with the goal.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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> Car lobby certainly accelerated the process, but car users were the main driving force. Not really. We know it’s not as much of a natural force as some would like it to be because there are places where the lobbies lost, and while cars are common and widespread they’re nowhere near as dominant as they are in, say, the USA. NJB’s next video (currently available on nebula) is about exactly that, Amsterdam’s (/ De Pij…

Subsidies played a huge role, including the eminent domain bulldozing of cities for free-at-use highways. If people had to pay upfront for those costs, the urban landscape would look much different (probably closer to Japanese cities, which do have massive suburbs, but centred around train stations). Yet Japan does still have cars (and a car culture even), they're just not necessarily the default or dominant mode of…

Sure, nobody is saying cars are useless or unfun, I'm just pushing back against the idea that everything car everywhere is a natural and intrinsic outcome from cars existing. As I noted, even in the netherlands cars are common, the dutch have a very dense road network, and a fair amount of cars.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

How can you get the agents to do anything useful without giving them meaningful access?

If it only lives in an isolated sandbox, it can only act within the sandbox, then I would have to manually move what was done in the sandbox to real-life.

I am not saying it should have critical access, but this is more of a question: How can you get value out of AI if it can only act in a sandbox?

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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This to me reads like a poignant commentary on the catastrophic loss of human agency, with the actual commit being highly revealing [0]. Author wants to hide a horizontal scrollbar. Any junior frontend dev worth their salt will be asking right away "where do I stick `overflow-x: hidden;`?" A complete solution will then require hitting "Inspect element" in the browser to find the CSS class and running (rip)grep to fin…

This is missing the point, simon is a fantastic developer. but to keep track of all the nuances of the frontend frameworks and browser implementation is a lot even for great people. it is really awesome that the final change was only a two line css change.

But the fix is wrong as pointed out by the poster...

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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This to me reads like a poignant commentary on the catastrophic loss of human agency, with the actual commit being highly revealing [0]. Author wants to hide a horizontal scrollbar. Any junior frontend dev worth their salt will be asking right away "where do I stick `overflow-x: hidden;`?" A complete solution will then require hitting "Inspect element" in the browser to find the CSS class and running (rip)grep to fin…

I think Fable is predisposed to try and verify it's changes. Which is a very good thing. It takes a lot of prompts to get Opus to do what Fable does unprompted. That is exactly what I would want from a junior developer - make sure the bug exists, find a way to fix it, verify the bug is fixed. The problem, as was correctly identified in the blog post - is that instead of stopping and asking for elevated permission it…

No, the problem is mostly the incorrect prompt that sent fable into a rabbit hole resulting in an incorrect solution.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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What, because I talked about one of my projects? Help me out here: can you point to an article from someone's blog that showed up on Hacker News within the past few weeks that you wouldn't classify as "blogspam" and explain how it differs from the kinds of thing I write about?

Low effort content. You keep mention your product from the start over and over. There's not much useful information in the anecdotal post. It could've been a one-liner tweet. Good corporate tech blogs at least give something useful or insightful for the reader and only after that they dare plug their product/service near the end.

Go away.

I enjoy simonw’s posts and the discussions about them here.

Your vague unsubstantiated criticisms are very trollish and less useful, less insightful, and lower effort than the content you are criticizing.

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