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Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by dormento »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #111
Telemakhos wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what the right vocabulary would be to describe this, but this sounds more like the calculations behind nuclear war than a healthy collegiality or cooperative work relationship. This sets up a competition to determine a loser based on resource scarcity, not a way to achieve mutual goals to advance the organization's goals.

“Token Standoff.” The most efficient token consumer wins. This mutually assured time efficiency destruction is driven by management support of aggressive use of AI in an attempt to, in some combination, increase productive and constrain labor costs. AI isn’t making developers more productive – it’s making them busier - https://leaddev.com/ai/ai-isnt-making-developers-more-produc... - June 11th, 2026 https://en.wikipe…

Caveman consume fewest token win office token war.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by epage »

swiftcoder wrote: post #248
niuzeta wrote: post #34

A very prolific coworker who fully embraced claude has inflicted the team with a flood of AI-generated PRs. About six months later, it is his frequent bemoaning at the standup that their PR don't get reviewed, languishing in inattention. I don't think anyone - including myself - _intentionally_ avoid his PRs. It's just that he doesn't make it easy for the team to look at. This single headline perfectly captures what…

As someone who pushed ~4x the median PRs on my team before LLMs were a thing, I kind of think the problem here is PRs as a concept. Code review doesn't scale to prolific humans, it definitely can't scale to agents. And the exact same things you would need to safely give up on PRs for human developers (auto-formatters, linters, comprehensive end-to-end tests, continuous deployment pipelines, etc), are also things that…

As a prolific PR author, I've found how I communicate has a major factor on how well and quickly people respond to PRs. I've recorded my lessons at https://epage.github.io/dev/pr-style/.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by dormento »

Geezus_42 wrote: post #87
xgulfie wrote: post #86

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So if they say "idk Claude did it", what would you write in the PR review box?

REJECTED: Engineer does not understand what they wrote.

> Engineer does not understand what they wrote.

"""""wrote"""""

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by relativeadv »

I've been writing technical documentation and architecture docs that no one ever reads for years. I now write those same documents using ai in a fraction of the time. No one reads those either but they are memorialized so that no one can bitch about tribal knowledge.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by dormento »

maccard wrote: post #219
liveoneggs wrote: post #53

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yeah I have this happen to me. I occasionally get screenshots of claude sent to me!

I had this happen to me twice. The first time I ignored it, second time I responddd with “I could have asked ChatGPT myself but I asked you”. Never happened again.

"why are you such a drag on team morale?", "why are you invalidating your colleagues learning experiences?" "Next time you do this, HR will have to step in" etc etc.

There's no justice in this world.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by mlhpdx »

keiferski wrote: post #370
bluGill wrote: post #341

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> Someone on HN responding to you with single-sentence responses? Either don't respond, or respond in kind. "I have made this longer than usual because I have not had time to make it shorter." - Blaise Pascal. The length of the response doesn't indicate effort.

This is true if you're writing a letter about a difficult topic. For HN comments, 99.9% of the time, a short comment is a low effort one and should be disregarded.

on the other hand, when I see a long post here I assume it’s yet another ego-driven tirade and skip past it.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by boerseth »

There's a lot of art out there that is totally uninteresting, at least to me, because it feels like the artist put little effort or thought into it or or maybe even into honing their skills.

But if the art instead beems with intention and effort, chances are that it will be interesting. And in order for anyone to create something so brimming with signs of effort, they must have cared about the piece, the message, the artform, or something along the process. This post talks about effort and attention, but you could phrase it as a question of reciprocal "caring". If you want me to care, show me that you even care yourself.

It is getting harder and harder to suss out what is genuine though.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by dijksterhuis »

keiferski wrote: post #370
bluGill wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone on HN responding to you with single-sentence responses? Either don't respond, or respond in kind. "I have made this longer than usual because I have not had time to make it shorter." - Blaise Pascal. The length of the response doesn't indicate effort.

This is true if you're writing a letter about a difficult topic. For HN comments, 99.9% of the time, a short comment is a low effort one and should be disregarded.

long, low: copypasta; rant; sales; slop.

(brevity, purposeful /s).

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by sergiotapia »

Big source of my depressive feelings today come from this. I see people online quite excited about AI output, nobody cares anymore. This was supposed to be a tool to elevate the quality of work, not vomit things out and put out fires like Orks trying to land a flaming plane with no wheels.
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