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Re: The Future of Email

#41
The article makes a reference to the failed ARC (Authenticated Received Chain) proposal which was intended to help DKIM not break email forwarding:

https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-adams-arc-experiment-c...

It will be interesting to see if Google can be convinced to move away from ARC to something else. Gmail is all about email server reputation these days so they can reliably treat email servers they don't like badly.

Re: The Future of Email

#42

What's the point of this article? The most I got was "email is here to stay," followed by some discussion of an MCP server for their proprietary mail platform. I particularly don't understand the constant fanfare around discussions of SPF/DKIM/DMARC. They're widely understood, published RFCs that have been around for at least 10-15 years, some of them longer. They're not obscure folk wisdom passed down through genera…

Agreed. I had some vague hope that this article made it to the HN hope page because someone was saying what needs to be said: that the future of email should be protocols over platforms, as it was in the past. Mail servers and mail clients.

Re: The Future of Email

#44

Paying for email will never be the future of email. Another subscription for software- and people outside HN hate paying for software- when outlook, apple and Gmail exist?

Have been paying for Fastmail for years. It’s actually fast and lets me use my own domain. (And doesn’t shove AI down my throat). Cash well spent.

Re: The Future of Email

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To have secure email I think html /css should be dropped from email support and the inbox should work on an invite only basis. Basically you should pre-authorize the senders just like you add someone as friend on a social network.

So... not e-mail then

Yeah, because email as a family of protocols never developed different capabilities /s

Re: The Future of Email

#47
email is turning into a walled-garden of big tech.

For instance, I am self-hosted, that without DNS. The email designers were carefull to make the email system work without DNS, that with email addresses with IP literals: mailbox@[x.x.x.x] and mailbox@[ipv6:...] (and I guess once ipv4 is really gone, the ipv6: prefix will be dropped).

This is stronger thas SPF, since as soon as a IP literals in the envelope and the various "from" headers does not match the actually IP from the sending SMTP server, the email is dropped, not even going in spam.

If I send such email to gmail for instance... I get a 'missing a DNS PTR' record, go to hell. How, convenient, to send an email there, you must have bought a DNS domain, knowing perfectly that most registrars nowadays are gated by the web engines of the whatng cartel... which gogol, then gmail does belong to... how convenient, the crime is almost perfect, I don't put that on the account of incompetence, this is beyond that, we are in the realm of toxic malice.

I do presume now they know what they are doing, killing all small tech, or self-hosting is in their agenda of dominant internet corporation.

Re: The Future of Email

#48
post #25

The easiest and best filter is to screen emails. Only emails that were screened in once go to your inbox. It's that easy. HEY.com introduced it, and I can't see email without it; that's why I integrated it into my TUI email client, neomd [1]. Since then, when I get an email from Amazon that lands in my "To Screen" box, I am automatically alerted and know it is potentially spam, because I have approved Amazon and legi…

This is basically where I (and I imagine many others) have landed with the telephone. Anyone not in my contacts goes to voice mail. Made my phone usable again.

Re: The Future of Email

#49
> In early 2024, Google and Yahoo began requiring

Here's a big part of the problem right there. Google requires something, it becomes a requirement. In fact, Google's hold on email is a problem in itself. Among other things we need variety. Without it, "Google begins requiring" will be a recurring theme. It's happening again now with mobile phone apps! "Google begins requiring" that you register with them so that the apps you write can be installed on Android phones.

> This shifted authentication from something senders could deprioritize to a basic prerequisite for reaching inboxes.

And later, Google and a few other large players could just prevent individuals and smaller email service providers from being able to send email, at all.

> so the filtering systems can tell where bad content is coming from and avoid hurting the reputation of the wrong parties.

Be ready for people who don't register with the big corporations to be marked as having "bad reputation" and being simply blocked. There might be some technical excuse.

> The inbox of the future will be faster, smarter, and more capable than what most of us use today.

That sounds like the inbox of the future might be controlled by somebody else. I don't like that at all.

Re: The Future of Email

#50

Are there any options left at all to self host email?

You can absolutely set up SPF, DKIM, and DMARC for yourself, it's really not that hard if your difficulty reference point is self hosting email. I did it like 10 years ago and I don't think it has changed.

Self hosting is hard (which is why I just use Fastmail now), but it's not because of that.

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