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Re: The Browser You Loved to Hate

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Post by sjs382 »

IE has caused a lot of pain for web developers. The browser itself has gotten better, but semi-recent decisions (like the fact that WindowsXP is stuck with IE8) still cause pain with these developers.

Even if this was resolved and all Windows machines were magically upgraded to IE9 or IE10, I still couldn't trust microsoft to act developers interest. With this in mind, I will continue to evangelize other platforms when given the opportunity.

It was a great commercial, though. It definitely made me feel silly for evangelizing other browsers, until I remembered that these problems with IE still remain.

tl;dr: Wounds inflicted by IE still remain. And trust will be an issue for a long time.

Re: The Browser You Loved to Hate

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

joejohnson wrote: post #36
JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd, opposite here. Always have a better/easier experience with enterprise Microsoft products.

Do you work for Microsoft? I can't recall any enterprise Microsoft products that I would have chosen to use out side of the office.

No. I don't typically use any MSFT products outside of work other than Windows and Office. I was implying that at work, implementing things like AD permissions, Windows Server, SQL server, exchange, network shares, etc. etc. etc., MSFT solutions make for a much more pleasant experience with very few issues or headaches.

I'm a client/server web enthusiast, so I like my linux boxes and vim editor, etc. I'm not intrigued by heavy frameworks and bloated IDEs.

Re: The Browser You Loved to Hate

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Post by WayneDB »

greyboy wrote: post #49
WayneDB wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you're running Windows 7. If you're running XP or Vista and you're happy with that, then you probably don't care very much about which browser you're using.

Interesting view. I certainly care about what browser I use on my XP installation. I (and my coworkers) have always cared which browser we use. But, we aren't Web 2.0.

Sure, some people who are trapped in XP at work might care, but do you really care that you don't get IE10?

You still have decent browsers to choose from (Firefox, Opera and older versions of Chrome if you can find them).

To better explain my point - if you care about which browser you're using, you're probably not pining for IE.

Re: The Browser You Loved to Hate

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Post by beatgammit »

nthitz wrote: post #25

I think most of us can agree that IE 10 has come along way. The reason web developers hate IE is when we have to build sites for older versions of IE because people can't or won't upgrade. Sometimes clients require support for these older browsers. I have no problems with IE 10, but those older versions that just won't die are the problem.

It's more than that. Here are some features that other browsers have that IE10 still doesn't have:

* SPDY (supported by Firefox, Opera and Chrome)

* FlexBox (partially supported in IE10, FF and Safari, full support in Chrome and Opera)

* WebGL (partial support in FF, Opera and Safari, full support in Chrome)

* Shared WebWorkers (fully supported in Chrome, Safari, Opera [even BB browser...])

* File API (partial support, full support in FF, Chrome, Safari, Opera [also BB browser...])

* WebM/Ogg (fullly supported in FF, Chrome, Opera)

There are a few things that IE10 has that other browsers don't have yet, but knowing M$, this is likely the last update for a year or so. I expect FF and Opera to catch up soon in those places where they lag behind.

Sure, IE10 isn't that bad, but there are still some things that can't be used yet that developers (like myself) really want (especially a unified video format...).

http://caniuse.com/

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