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Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

doug.sh

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Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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It’s a nice engineering approach, but I’m interested in the motivation. Um and ah is distracting in a transcript, where you can naturally pause to take in information; in speech however it can serve as a focusing point to indicate the next part is important. See https://medium.com/better-humans/dont-worry-about-saying-um-... for example. The weirdly obsessive zeal that orgs like Toastmasters have about eliminating th…

Occasional ums and ahs are fine but when every other phrase starts with a long aaaaah it can be pretty unpleasant to listen to.

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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This approach seems kind of backwards to me. Why try to detect everything except the thing you're trying to remove instead of either sampling a few uhs and ums and treating them as noise to be silenced (with a sharp crossfade to the noise floor that doesn't interrupt speech flow) or finetuning a model to detect them specifically for full automation?

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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post #12
post #10

It’s a nice engineering approach, but I’m interested in the motivation. Um and ah is distracting in a transcript, where you can naturally pause to take in information; in speech however it can serve as a focusing point to indicate the next part is important. See https://medium.com/better-humans/dont-worry-about-saying-um-... for example. The weirdly obsessive zeal that orgs like Toastmasters have about eliminating th…

Occasional ums and ahs are fine but when every other phrase starts with a long aaaaah it can be pretty unpleasant to listen to.

So, if this project's source Audio were Beavis and Butthead, you would be enthused?

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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This is great, I've tried out automated podcast editing tools before and they cut too aggressively in my experience. What are you thinking about doing next with this now that you've gotten the alignment snapping working cleanly for 'um' and 'ah', are you thinking of expanding the tool?

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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post #10

It’s a nice engineering approach, but I’m interested in the motivation. Um and ah is distracting in a transcript, where you can naturally pause to take in information; in speech however it can serve as a focusing point to indicate the next part is important. See https://medium.com/better-humans/dont-worry-about-saying-um-... for example. The weirdly obsessive zeal that orgs like Toastmasters have about eliminating th…

Having heard radio interviews with and without 'internal editing' to remove ums and ahs, most of the time I'd rather the edited version. It's more concise and focused, and I find it easier to comprehend. Too many ums and ahs and my mind wanders, and if it's radio, I can't go easily go back to try again. When I've listened to podcasts or audiobooks, I could never easily go back a little to try again either, and I gave up on them (even though I have some content I really want to listen to, it's too frustrating, so it's not happening). But I'm sure other people have different preferences.

I also don't care for writing that could have been made a lot more concise. It's a lot of work to make things shorter, but I think it's worthwhile.

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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post #10

It’s a nice engineering approach, but I’m interested in the motivation. Um and ah is distracting in a transcript, where you can naturally pause to take in information; in speech however it can serve as a focusing point to indicate the next part is important. See https://medium.com/better-humans/dont-worry-about-saying-um-... for example. The weirdly obsessive zeal that orgs like Toastmasters have about eliminating th…

>The weirdly obsessive zeal that orgs like Toastmasters have about eliminating them is weird.

If you speak with disfluencies, you probably didn't sufficiently rehearse your speech. If you didn't rehearse enough, you probably didn't put much effort into writing it either, so why should I put much effort into listening? It's the same principle as AI slop.

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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Not to promote something, but Wispr Flow does that for me automatically if I trigger a setting for it.. While it's a commercial product with a subscription, I spent a long time on the free tier not even hitting their limits until I started using it so extensively that I wanted to pay for it. And I've used Whisper in the past, mostly for tinkering. I tried it for a couple of use cases but haven't touched the base proj…

Is love to hear more about subtitle generation. Specifically, can you label different speakers? I'd be using this for meeting transcription. Thank you.

Re: Removing 'um' from a recording is harder than it sounds

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post #10

It’s a nice engineering approach, but I’m interested in the motivation. Um and ah is distracting in a transcript, where you can naturally pause to take in information; in speech however it can serve as a focusing point to indicate the next part is important. See https://medium.com/better-humans/dont-worry-about-saying-um-... for example. The weirdly obsessive zeal that orgs like Toastmasters have about eliminating th…

> in speech however it can serve as a focusing point to indicate the next part is important

it's... exact opposite?

the main (attempted) use for ummms is to keep continuation of speech despite the pause. And the main complaint is exactly that it ruins the focus and doesn't give respite

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