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Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. But I think it’s also important to realise if you sent this article back to 2020 people would say it was pure fantasy that a tool could do this. Hype aside, there’s a bit of cool magic here.
This is why I never understand the AI cynics: we are playing with literal magic. This was the science fiction of our childhoods. I don't understand how anyone with a passion for technology is not in awe (and perhaps some fear) of these things.
>This was the science fiction of our childhoods.
That is the thing I am mad about. We are getting bastardized versions of the science fictions of our childhood.
I fantasized about instant communicators across worlds, and we get mobile phones that work by planting a gazillion antennas across the globe. And people hail them as futuristic and say things like this.
I fantasied about human like robots and positronic brains, and we get a regurgitiation of past humanity, in text, ensuring a future of total intellectual and artisitc winter.
I fantasized a future with perfect health, but we get a million doctors and hospitals and medicines for everything and an existence that is unthinkable without health insurance!
I fantasized about antigravity flying cars, and we get drones.
What ever it is, these things are blocking the path to the science fiction of my childhoods.
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#264I’d love to know how many tokens this burned through. Did it spend $20? $30? $80? in order to > debug what was, in the end, a two-line CSS fix That detail is the difference between somebody having or not having Stockholm syndrome
... so the mechanic produced an invoice, itemized. changing the CSS - $0.05 knowing which CSS to change - $30
For those that don't know, this is a reference to a lovely story involving Charles Proteus Steinmetz https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/charles-proteus-stein...
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#265Call it Houdini already.
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#266I remember asking Gemini 3 to implement my multiplayer XNA game in JavaScript with netcode last year. It faithfully did everything it could while I talked to it for hours nonstop with zero limitations.
What happened? That's just suddenly totally gone now.
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#267> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…
You’ve picked an interesting example, as driving a car, even with all safety precautions, is pretty much the most dangerous activity we do on a daily basis. Yet somehow we decide that the benefits outweigh the risks.
> Yet somehow we decide that the benefits outweigh the risks.
More like malicious lobbying and incompetence made it impossible in many places to use any other form of transportation, despite there being safer, faster, cheaper, and healthier ways to move around. Which come to think if it makes this a rather nice analogy for the current situation... :)
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#268This is a funny one because it seems less into what fable is being clever on and more about the bitter lesson and data flywheels
Our UX agentic engineering flow, as many others, is playwright doing things, and as part of the ux review skill, taking & verifying the screenshots against the written specs. Likewise, as many others, we vibe coded the flows to set all that up and tweak it over time. When we hit prod issues or scraping tasks, we sometimes do similar. In some of our envs, we don't have playwright, so do it other ways.
Now imagine a million developer using claude code, how many of them are doing web & frontend stuff, and what the data flywheel looks like there. So how much is really needed for this use case to be native?
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think it’s dangerous to be in a car going at freeway speed? Do you ever do that anyway, even though you could be walking instead?
This is a great analogy. Like driving on the freeway, agents are super time efficient, generally safe, but the stakes are high in terms of the worse possible outcomes.
The analogy falters in scope, it should be more like ”do you put your entire family and all your friends in different cars, on different highways, and try to remote control them all at the same time, while also driving yourself, facing backwards”
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#270Obviously security is the bigger issue, but reading through this, all I could think about was how many tokens it must have spent doing all that to fix 2 lines of CSS
Lines of code for a bugfix is a really bad proxy for effort required. You should estimate how much time it would have taken a human
I looked at the screenshot and for the rest of the article wondered if it would be as simple as `overflow-x: hidden`.
And to my surprise it was.
This would’ve take a frontend dev 10 seconds to deduce and another 10 seconds to confirm.