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Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by AdamN »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #161
teraflop wrote: post #3

> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

The real sandbox is not caring if your computer gets bricked.

The machine is no big deal - it's the authn/authz that matters. What can the agents do with the credentials available to them?

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by simonw »

geraneum wrote: post #188

> watching Fable go to extreme lengths to get the information that it needed to debug what was, in the end, a two-line CSS fix, was fascinating. This is… ironic?!

Not sure what you mean. I was being serious: it was genuinely fascinating watching it do all manner of weird hacks to help it come up with what ended up as a two line fix.

"Fascinating" doesn't mean I think it was justified in going to those lengths. I was a little horrified when I realized how far it was going.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by solenoid0937 »

Ucalegon wrote: post #164
solenoid0937 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a bizarre comment. simonw is well known and widely respected.

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You're being bizarrely conspiratorial and litigious. Simonw explained very clearly how pricing works, and you can learn this for yourself as well.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by eclipticplane »

megous wrote: post #4

Isn't that something you just open a devtools for and have fixed in like 2 minutes? For me, it got frustrated debugging on a real LPDDR4 controller/phy and having me in the loop slowing it down, so it wrote an HW emulator to be able to run the original LPDDR4 training aarch64 binary from the manufacturer, to see what register writes it was making and to compare with the opensource rewrite it was implementing. Mildly…

$12 in tokens and the OP wasn't even at the computer. OP was working on a personal matter, arguably way more valuable than fixing a CSS scrollbar.

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Post by estetlinus »

satvikpendem wrote: post #118
qurren wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm continually bemused and astonished I'm not. Everyone is told to get 10X the amount of shit per day done these days. Safety checks are out the window at that point.

You can get 10x shit done without `rm -rf`ing your files. I don't see any correlation to getting things done with having a proper sandbox.

rm -rf is the least of your concerns.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

galoisscobi wrote: post #156
solenoid0937 wrote: post #145

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Yeah, testing changes rigorously is for schmucks

You can test rigorously without token incinerators.

But testing rigorously requires time and effort, while incinerating tokens lets me do many things at once.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by webstrand »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #11
teraflop wrote: post #3

> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

I'm also bemused by the number of people who think they've got an effective sandbox yet their sandboxed agent has access to all of their code, their github, and unrestricted web access.

If anyone's looking to sandbox network, I've had good experience with pasta [1] networking. I make a pasta+bwrap sandbox and expose only specific services via local sockets to cross the boundary.

[1]: https://passt.top/passt/

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