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Tailwind and slop apps

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Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#41

For all the complaints like this that I see about AI generated websites, the complaints rarely come with counter examples of what a good human generated alternative should look like. The authors blog design is perfectly functional, and I'm not suggesting that it needs any changes, but it also isn't a particularly impressive piece of web design.

I'm a fan of vaporwave and dithering, myself.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#42
post #2

Tailwind is the latest bootstrap. These frameworks were designed to allow people with no skill in design/UI to produce something that passed for attractive. Since most clients are more concerned about time and cost than quality and originality, this approach effectively killed bespoke landing pages and led a lot of UI devs to move away from hand-coding styles to glomming on class names and using a "best practice" fra…

Writing CSS from scratch sucks. I'm glad we've left those days far behind.

Also let's not pretend like typical efforts were not buggy as hell with oversights or tricks that didn't work in every environment.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#43
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tailwind is the latest bootstrap Bootstrap ships components. AFAIK you need another library if you want that in Tailwind.

But the point of the comment is that both Bootstrap and Tailwind are facilitators when you don't know/want/care about getting your hands dirty with CSS. Tailwind happens to be a little less abstract than Bootstrap, but still you're not fiddling with "low level" CSS. That abstraction is what brings the "sameness" factor in play, though.

You absolutely have to know how CSS layout works to do anything even marginally complicated with Tailwind. It's not a replacement for building flexbox layouts or dealing with Z-indexes or knowing how to compose elements for different viewport sizes. All it's actually separating you from is (most of) the "Cascading" part and having your styles separate from you elements.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#44
post #22

These pages look fine. I'm not seeing the problem. Most landing pages don't need to be creative statements; in fact, I'd wager the majority are hurt by creativity; real creativity is risky! Which of these applications want an artistic statement on their brochure pages?

Brand differentiation, not art

Quick, pull up VictoriaMetrics.com and Honeycomb.io. Tell me how the design differentiates the brands. Sell me on the idea that anybody picks one over the other based on these web designs.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#45
post #33

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>I'd wager the majority are hurt by creativity; real creativity is risky! yes, and who wants creativity and risk when everything can look like the interior of a McDonalds. I'd much rather look at someone's terrible and scuffed attempt at designing their own page, because it at least signals that there is a human who isn't afraid to try something out rather than the Instagram filter version of a webpage.

There are times and places where I want to see a lot of humanity and imperfection in transactions, and there are times I don't. You're dunking using McDonalds as an example, but there's a reason they all look like that, and it's one of the most successful businesses in the world. If you're building the application equivalent of JP Graziano or La Chaparrita Taqueria, make it human, scuffed up even. I'd like JP Grazian…

> Boring competence wins hands down. Users and customers are scouting for competence. Most of the time, their antennae are not in fact up for individual artistic expression.

but even that doesn't really hold any more. The great slopification has made it so that people don't even associate that kind of thing with reliability. Instead it's gotten a kind of ca the year 2000 "thing out of a Chinese factory" vibe to it. Even on practical grounds you might as well give it your own shot now because that stuff is poisoned.

As a concrete example, if you wanted to make a Github competitor ten years ago you tried to look like Github, now you're better off trying to look like sourcehut or codeberg because you don't look like the thing that dies every five minutes.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#46
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are times and places where I want to see a lot of humanity and imperfection in transactions, and there are times I don't. You're dunking using McDonalds as an example, but there's a reason they all look like that, and it's one of the most successful businesses in the world. If you're building the application equivalent of JP Graziano or La Chaparrita Taqueria, make it human, scuffed up even. I'd like JP Grazian…

> Boring competence wins hands down. Users and customers are scouting for competence. Most of the time, their antennae are not in fact up for individual artistic expression. but even that doesn't really hold any more. The great slopification has made it so that people don't even associate that kind of thing with reliability. Instead it's gotten a kind of ca the year 2000 "thing out of a Chinese factory" vibe to it. E…

It's not my argument that competent web design is a reliable signal, only that nobody is looking for incompetent design when they're shopping for a used Camry or a new rotary sander.

When Stripe or Braintree or Paypal deliberately mess up their designs so they can signal their humanity to customers, I'll check back in with this idea. Maybe companies will start introducing dumb bugs into their code, too, because if it's too perfect everybody will know a robot wrote it.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

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post #27
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tailwind is the latest bootstrap Bootstrap ships components. AFAIK you need another library if you want that in Tailwind.

Here's the discussion we had about bootstrap 10 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11287413 (The underlying webpage is no longer around. But the HN discussion is.)

The underlying webpage: https://web.archive.org/web/20160325181748/http://adventureg...

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#48
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Tailwind is the latest bootstrap. These frameworks were designed to allow people with no skill in design/UI to produce something that passed for attractive. Since most clients are more concerned about time and cost than quality and originality, this approach effectively killed bespoke landing pages and led a lot of UI devs to move away from hand-coding styles to glomming on class names and using a "best practice" fra…

Writing CSS from scratch sucks. I'm glad we've left those days far behind.

Modern CSS is actually really quite pleasant.

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

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post #2

Tailwind is the latest bootstrap. These frameworks were designed to allow people with no skill in design/UI to produce something that passed for attractive. Since most clients are more concerned about time and cost than quality and originality, this approach effectively killed bespoke landing pages and led a lot of UI devs to move away from hand-coding styles to glomming on class names and using a "best practice" fra…

Bingo! People mustve forgotten about the bootstrap era

Re: Tailwind and slop apps

#50
Tbf when you dont care about ui-as most backend devs do- Claude creating UI is perfect

Imo UI is bifurcated. Its either not impressive(most websites) or there was immense effort put into it(like posthogs site).

So for a small project where im focusing on shipping speed and feature building, yeah tailwin is being used because I dont want to do motion design rn

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