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Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by lokar »

lokar wrote: post #30
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #26

I refused an interview from google in 2010ish, because it was already dubious with all the tracking and advertising they were doing, as well as the rising censorship. So if you decided to go in 2017 with all that happened since, your moral compass was already broken with google's. Snowden already revealed what all that data was used for with program like PRISM. You already seen the total lack of interest in preventin…

The PRISM stuff about google was mostly BS. The only thing was the non-encrypted traffic on “dark” fiber between data centers. And some may have been a reference to systems to comply with court orders via the DOJ which everyone of any scale does (eg a “wiretap” on a Gmail account). The military work came out in 2018

Instead of downvoting try responding. Do you not believe me? Do you think the law enforcement access was bad?

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

inlined wrote: post #87
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it is quite obvious for years that Google is now classical immoral tech corporation, which now means current administration servant. They changed their code of conduct in 2018 along with they “Don’t be evil” to “Do the right thing” because world is not "black and white". This obvious shift into moral ambiguity with then changed code of conduct should signal the shift in policy. Eight years ago. Not even menti…

I think it can at least be said they are amoral not immoral. It’s a very low bar, but still

Fair. It is still by far not META.

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Post by jensensbutton »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #12

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Nah, James Damore just did a stupid thing at work and wasn't talented enough for it to be overlooked. He deserved to be fired. Morals don't need to come into it.

They lost their moral compass a while ago, but it had nothing to do with Damore.

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Post by DashAnimal »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #12

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I always hate the James Damore discussion because it's like the least interesting part. You have a company dealing with internal political mayhem trying to find the least disruptive, not only internally but now externally because this shit has leaked. It's a workplace, and youre trying to keep people effective and working. And some googlers got too comfortable with what they were sharing on a work machine, not just to their coworkers, but tens of thousands of employees.

The support of war efforts is clearly a change in moral compass that is much more fascinating though.

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Post by dpark »

throwa356262 wrote: post #31
JuniperMesos wrote: post #12

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That was a crazy period when Google first fired him, then fired people criticising him, and then fired people criticising the people that just got fired. But let's be honest, the guy was kind of unhinged. I would not have fired him, but neither would I have kept him in my team.

> but neither would I have kept him in my team

Let’s be honest, though. That’s firing from your team.

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Post by toomuchtodo »

rayiner wrote: post #84
toomuchtodo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the cost of buying goodwill and lower regulatory burden from the administration in power at the time of implementation. DEI? Non DEI? Like an umbrella, just depends on the weather, its business as usual regardless.

I agree with your broader point, but DEI versus no DEI is a bad example. That's not an example of companies sucking up to the preferred policies of whatever administration is in power. Instead, they are responding to decisive legal decisions. There is a clear legal principle at issue: the civil rights laws are symmetric as to race. The Supreme Court held that in SFFA in 2023, and again in Ames in 2025 (which was a 9-…

The clarification and specifics are welcomed. I did not have a better example at hand when I wrote the comment. Maybe ESG/climate change?
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