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Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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That was a crazy period when Google first fired him, then fired people criticising him, and then fired people criticising the people that just got fired.

But let's be honest, the guy was kind of unhinged. I would not have fired him, but neither would I have kept him in my team.

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Not that I care in particular

But claiming that google lost it's "moral compass" just now is a claim only rich people can make because they retire, not quit.

Google is literally the largest, most organized, tracking and profiling company in the world. Which they tend to grow even larger with the rise of LLMs.

Turning a blind eye of that for the opportunity or whatever, and than claim that _just now_ they lost their moral compass, is being a hypocrite.

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That was a crazy period when Google first fired him, then fired people criticising him, and then fired people criticising the people that just got fired. But let's be honest, the guy was kind of unhinged. I would not have fired him, but neither would I have kept him in my team.

I agree, internally, looking at a fuller picture of his activity, he was off. Constantly bringing the subject up out of context, starting fights, etc. but they should have just warned him.

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> Sundar Pichai in 2018 stated very clearly that “AI applications we will not pursue: … > 3. Technologies that gather or use information for surveillance violating internationally accepted norms. Really? Algorithms for ads and mass surveillance were always at the core of Google model. And there is not really such thing as "internationally accepted norms", Google, as a pioneer, literally defined them at the time.

>Algorithms for ads and mass surveillance were always at the core of Google model.

You may not have been around back then, but we had half a decade of Google before that model, and it was quite nice, nice enough to get us to leave our other search providers--and to hand them the keys to our inboxes.

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Google exists to make money and is happy to change their opinions to suit the current force in power.

But that “critique” of gender diversity efforts said that the lack of women in CS was due to some innate difference in women (rather than a social division that is neither innate nor universal across time or cultures) While also decrying the lack of affirmative action for conservatives.

It’s neither the tipping point for Google, nor is it a hill worth dying on

Re: Why I'm Forced to Say Farewell: Google Management Has Lost Its Moral Compass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of https://enwp.org/Pacifism

I have met pacifists who say all war is bad* and thus the Russia Ukraine war should immediately end, without any ideas on how to get that to happen except a few who imply Ukraine should roll over and be consumed. *or this is an inter-capitalist war

I once met a horse that could count. That hardly makes horses a good representation of math professors.

Our experiences with a few instances of something is rarely sufficient for us to suggest or imply some kind of universality.

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That was a crazy period when Google first fired him, then fired people criticising him, and then fired people criticising the people that just got fired. But let's be honest, the guy was kind of unhinged. I would not have fired him, but neither would I have kept him in my team.

He wasn't unhinged, he somewhat clumsily posted evolutionary biology literature fragments on a channel where it would offend parts of the readers.

In response to a "let a thousand flowers bloom and speak your mind" request from Google management snakes. The problem is that some tech people take these requests seriously.

Google of course has identified itself as Trump sycophants and hypocrites by now. Maybe they should invite Jordan Peterson, Gad Saad and Elon Musk to give keynote speeches.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

he is a self described pacifist. how nice to be him.

I don't know, it seems like being a pacifist is harder, since it exposes you to violence to which you cannot retaliate while alienating you from your peers with less stringent moral opinions. Doesn't seem like it really makes anything easier. You don't have to look hard to find that history is replete with pacifists who paid social and legal penalties for their moral stance.

He also said that "defense" was "different", so he's not that principled.

I assume if he actually felt threatened personally he wouldn't have any issues with developing weapons (through full-disk encryption or unbreakable DRM or locking people out of their devices or whatever).

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