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Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by saghm »

philistine wrote: post #53

The deprecation of Intel support is agressive! Every Mac enthusiast I know who uses a Mac as a server uses their old machines, which are pretty much all Intel. We'll lose support from you guys a year before Apple! I know supporting Intel is an ordeal and a choice, but I'm firmly on the camp that Homebrew should find a way to maintain Intel support as long as possible.

> We'll lose support from you guys a year before Apple!

If only Apple put a fraction of its resources towards maintaining something like homebrew (or paying the people who do), maybe the situation would be different.

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by m0do1 »

golem14 wrote: post #107

For those of us who use homebrew today, how do we get the new cool benefits ? Is there a command to upgrade (like ```brew upgrade```) everything to the new hotness, do we need to uninstall everything and reinstall ? It's probably discussed somewhere but didn't find when glancing at the OP.

there is `brew update`

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by mikemcquaid »

frizlab wrote: post #108

Thanks for your hard work! I discovered Homebrew now sometimes asks whether I actually want to install a formula (e.g. `brew install ffmpeg` asks whether I want to install it because it has dependencies). Is there a way to disable this behavior and revert to the previous one?

Thanks :)

—-no-ask, —-yes, -y or HOMEBREW_NO_ASK=1

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by asdff »

jrmg wrote: post #105
asdff wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe among the general mac population they are a rounding error. But among the mac population who actually peeks behind the curtain and uses homebrew?

Maybe I’m just biased because it’s what I’ve done personally, but almost everyone using an old Intel Mac as a server is surely running Linux?

If your clients are all macs it is just nicer keeping the server on macos imo. mac os is unix after all so you don't have any software incompatibilities for tools you'd probably run on the server. Time machine support on the server is built in, instead of being a sort of hack with samba if you wanted to try and run it on a linux server. I haven't messed with it much but there might be some clever stuff you could do with applescript and triggered actions, maybe schedule your compute jobs from your calendar app for example.

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by saghm »

maxloh wrote: post #88

Homebrew is so good that I use it on Linux whenever possible. Most Linux package managers cannot separate user-installed packages from system packages. This makes cleaning up your workstation nearly impossible and a pain in the ass, since you can't tell what should be removed, or more importantly, what can be removed. Also, most native package managers update much slower than Homebrew, meaning you often only get outd…

> since you can't tell what should be removed, or more importantly, what can be removed

Isn't that what dependency detection does? Whenever I'm not sure if something can be removed, I just try to remove it, and if it would break something else, the package manager tells me. I can broaden my scope and see if that's also an unnecessary dependency for something and follow the chain, with it eventually ending up with a set of packages where I actually get the prompt to proceed or not (meaning nothing in it is a required dependency for anything remaining), or I see a package I definitely want to keep around and stop. If I'm interested in what's part of the base system, I just check the metapackage for the base system.

This doesn't sound like something that's a problem with package managers in general compared to maybe some distros just using them poorly.

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by xenophonf »

Washuu wrote: post #95
maxloh wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homebrew is so good that I use it on Linux whenever possible. Most Linux package managers cannot separate user-installed packages from system packages. This makes cleaning up your workstation nearly impossible and a pain in the ass, since you can't tell what should be removed, or more importantly, what can be removed. Also, most native package managers update much slower than Homebrew, meaning you often only get outd…

> Most Linux package managers cannot separate user-installed packages from system packages. And because of pinning versions to LTS releases on certain Linux distributions many times those packages stay out of date for years. Which is quite annoying.

> quite annoying

It's also quite stable, which you'd think more people would prize given the recent and on-going supply chain attacks.

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by PufPufPuf »

thatxliner wrote: post #109
PufPufPuf wrote: post #15

I have switched my full OS-level dev env to https://mise.jdx.dev/ from Homebrew+pipx+npm, initially as an experiment but found out that it actually works amazingly well. Many things get installed directly from GitHub releases or a corresponding package manager (uv, pnpm, go get ...), zero glue code to "repackage", zero version lag. You can install any arbitrary version of a package, even multiple ones at once, and dy…

Glad you're having a good experience, but I personally switched from Mise back to Brew. I don't know if it was just my skill issue, but there were too many packages which found Mise to be problematic.

Haven't had any serious problems so far!

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by pjm331 »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #58
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #13

Personally I stopped using Homebrew after I got screwed too many times on mandatory upgrades that I couldn't pin. I use a combination of Mise and MacPorts now so I don't get any more surprise breakage and forced obsolescence. Plus Mise allows me to upgrade to any new version, whereas with Homebrew you have to wait for whenever the tap feels like upgrading (llama.cpp tap skips every 10 releases)

Glad you've found a workflow that works for you, genuinely. For others still using Homebrew: a lot of work has gone into upgrading only when we absolutely have to and showing these upgrades to the user before we do them, including in this release.

and i `brew update && brew upgrade --greedy` every morning with my first cup of coffee because i like to live on the edge like that

thanks for all your work!

Re: Show HN: Homebrew 6.0.0

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Post by frizlab »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #113
frizlab wrote: post #108

Thanks for your hard work! I discovered Homebrew now sometimes asks whether I actually want to install a formula (e.g. `brew install ffmpeg` asks whether I want to install it because it has dependencies). Is there a way to disable this behavior and revert to the previous one?

Thanks :) —-no-ask, —-yes, -y or HOMEBREW_NO_ASK=1

Nice, thanks! Added to my configuration file :)

https://github.com/Frizlab/frizlabs-conf/blob/663e287eadadd9...

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