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Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by IncreasePosts »

Rumudiez wrote: post #46
applicative wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the total average annual cost of ownership—which includes your car payment, depreciation, fuel, insurance, maintenance, and taxes—is approximately $12,297 per year (or $1,025 monthly) over a 15-year lifetime"

that's crazy. my 2005 volvo, 1991 nissan, and 1986 toyota altogether cost me a little over $1k per year (mostly insurance) and it was less than $10k total to buy them all. goes to show average financial literacy in the US. people won't save a few grand for a used car (or take out a small loan even!) and then pay 10x the cost for new

Most people spend more per year on gas than you claim is your total cost of ownership. Sure, cars are cheap if you never drive them.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by CaliforniaKarl »

nemomarx wrote: post #65
CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #49

I wonder how the subscription would respond to a person's area being blocked off. There construction happening a block down the road from me. As part of the work, the rightmost lane is often blocked during the day (in between rush hours), so that things like concrete pumping can take place. The lane block starts just before where I live. Around the same time, I noticed that when I would try to take Waymo (which I use…

Is 20 minutes of extra time a major impediment? I don't think I would get a refund on an Uber if they were a little late to pick me up and drove slowly so I lost 20 minutes in total. Although if that does happen maybe I'm just naive about refunds

I said “20 minutes (or more)”. The 20-minute case is for a pickup at 5 AM. If I travel to the airport later in the morning, the time difference is worse.

And although 20 minutes doesn’t seem much, the variability of airline baggage check and TSA means 20 minutes doesn’t seem an lead to increased stress.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by Arainach »

boarsofcanada wrote: post #89

$30/mo is slightly mind boggling for this. I’ve enjoyed the ~70 or so Waymo rides I have taken but to me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort. My feet, BART, and SFMuni are my primary methods of transportation and for $104/mo I can take an unlimited number of trips, usually very conveniently.

For many people this makes sense, but once you reach a level of money where your basic needs are met, most people trade their money for time, and things like this are one of the most obvious ways.

Not long ago I walked from downtown SF up to the Golden Gate and walked across and back. My feet were tired and I didn't want to walk back downtown. It took me long enough to figure out where buses pick up that I missed one; at that point my decision was something like "70 minutes to wait for bus, take bus, transfer or walk to my hotel" or "23 minutes + $20 to get a Waymo" and I consider that a great value for my money.

I am a huge fan of public transit and try to avoid driving whenever I can. When the public transit goes approximately from where you are to where you want to be, or when it comes frequently enough that transfers don't cost you half an hour if you miss a connection, it's great, but there are so many edge cases.

I've never needed to call a taxi/Waymo in London, and in NYC the only time I did was getting from the airport to Manhattan the first time I went (every other time I know how to take AirTrain to public transit). In nearly every other city I've taken a Lyft/Waymo/Taxi at least once because the system isn't good enough to be universal.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by gopalv »

boarsofcanada wrote: post #89

$30/mo is slightly mind boggling for this. I’ve enjoyed the ~70 or so Waymo rides I have taken but to me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort. My feet, BART, and SFMuni are my primary methods of transportation and for $104/mo I can take an unlimited number of trips, usually very conveniently.

> me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort.

Most of my Waymo rides were from or to a BART station - the real utility of these services is to pull a last mile when I don't have a car.

There's no better way of getting out of Powell out of the traffic deadlock at 5 PM than BART.

But once you get south of Daly City, there's no timed connections for the surface streets.

If you need to go to Brisbane from Powell, the 2 mile car ride is worth the effect.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by dml2135 »

MarkusQ wrote: post #77
tjohns wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Incurred violations" should be effectively $0. How often are you getting a traffic ticket? I think the last time I got a ticket was a decade ago...

Yeah, that seems like an odd factor to include. The whole message of fines is supposed to be "don't do these specific anti-social things" not "be sure to factor in the arbitrary charges you'll be hit with".

You'd be surprised at how many people will only see the latter. When they introduced congestion pricing in NYC, there were actually people who were commenting, completely unironically, along the lines of "There's no way I'm going to pay that, I'll just take the train. That'll show em!"

They 100% saw the fee as solely a means to tax residents, and didn't even consider that the primary purpose could be to change behavior.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by ctoth »

abirch wrote: post #130
solenoid0937 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it is expensive, it's much more convenient

+1 for convenience. My commute is 60 minutes of train + walking. I prefer that to driving for 30 minutes where I can't read or create.

We're talking about a robot car, right? So this won't change?

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by wcfrobert »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #30
smy20011 wrote: post #15

It will pay for itself if you spend >300$ per month. I personally wish Waymo have a 399$ per month subscription that give 2 free ride per day so I don't need to own a car just for work.

That sounds more expensive than just owning a car.

Approximate monthly cost of owning a car in the city:

Lease or loan: $350

Parking in city: $300

Car insurance: $180

Gas: $120

License/Registration: $42 (~$500 per year)

Maintenance: $17 (~$200 per year)

If you live in the city and you can afford not driving, please put that extra $1000/month into your brokerage or HYSA

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by throwaway85825 »

jbmchuck wrote: post #129
boarsofcanada wrote: post #89

$30/mo is slightly mind boggling for this. I’ve enjoyed the ~70 or so Waymo rides I have taken but to me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort. My feet, BART, and SFMuni are my primary methods of transportation and for $104/mo I can take an unlimited number of trips, usually very conveniently.

It seems to me a lot of people just really don't like to be associated with public transit or anything associated with anything remotely underclass. It's a class marker to be driven around in an autonomous 6000lbs tank rather than move your legs a bit.

Nonsense. This is just the "last mile problem"

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by defen »

0x457 wrote: post #147
infecto wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you live in a city, parking tickets are fairly inevitable. I am sure some folks get away with none but at least in SF I have gotten tickets that were not even for the correct meter and it’s takes more time (at least used to) to fight it than pay the money.

I lived in LA for over a decade with a car and got zero parking tickets. I wouldn't call it inevitable.

I've never lived in Los Angeles but the one that gets you in San Francisco if you do street parking is the street cleaning, and the random vandalizations.
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