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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by idiotsecant »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

The capital motivation isn't the only one that exists. You can say something should be true without having a plan to maximize quarterly revenues.

Even if you consider profit motive, what is the profit motive for corporate contributions to open source? The same applies here.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by gunapologist99 »

bigyabai wrote: post #67
dannyw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the beauty of open source :) KHTML -> WebKit -> Blink is a good example.

KHTML is dead now, though. It was basically embraced, extended and extinguished by Apple and Google, who both wanted to take away the leverage of the community. Today, legacy KHTML maintainers are boxed-out of upstream decisions that might prevent Manifest v2 from swirling down the drain. I'd argue the story isn't very beautiful anymore.

True. Although the cruel twist is now that KDE's upstream decisions are boxing out X11/sysvinit/etc maintainers.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by potwinkle »

psychoslave wrote: post #20

Is that Open-Source like, run it locally, no phone home included, or open source like the thin front-end layer is all that is actually open-source but it’s an empty shell without the remote API it relies on?

It defaults to the API, but you can download the weights for the 1T-parameter Pro model and selfhost if you have the hardware for it.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by devmor »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Public good isn’t a charity, and a business model that doesn’t contribute to the public good should not be allowed to exist.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by Imanari »

Only tangentially related: MiMo-2.5Pro is fast, cheap and very capable, although not quite gpt5.5 level iontelligence (I dont use the claudes). It works flawlessly in Pi and is an excellent workhorse. I expect big things from their next model.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by sharts »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Do you think Internet Explorer 6.0 was a good decision?

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by layoric »

gosukiwi wrote: post #81

Claude and Codex pricing will eventually have to come down, for most common coding tasks you don't need a super smart slow model but a smart-enough and very fast one.

I’m not convinced they can come down, especially as they both are opening their books for S1 IPO filing.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by bigyabai »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #172
bigyabai wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KHTML is dead now, though. It was basically embraced, extended and extinguished by Apple and Google, who both wanted to take away the leverage of the community. Today, legacy KHTML maintainers are boxed-out of upstream decisions that might prevent Manifest v2 from swirling down the drain. I'd argue the story isn't very beautiful anymore.

True. Although the cruel twist is now that KDE's upstream decisions are boxing out X11/sysvinit/etc maintainers.

X11 and sysvinit are not downstream KParts libs like KHTML was. KDE has no obligation to fork or support either project.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by digitaltrees »

sharts wrote: post #177
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Do you think Internet Explorer 6.0 was a good decision?

There is a difference between a loss leader that drives a monopoly. Microsoft gave away a browser to make their monopoly OS more valuable and deepen their anti competitive moat. They were almost broken up as a result and honestly should have been if we had any anti trust enforcement.

How does open sourcing a Claude code clone drive adoption of anything that is a monopoly or even commercially related? Instead it seems like an attempt to undermine US AI companies.

That being said I am increasingly skeptical of how the US leaders are converging on creating monopolies and going deeper into the app layer that means they will end up owning everything rather than being the substrate of a competitive and flourishing ecosystem.

If it were up to me I would implement a regulation that 1) AI labs can’t own inference hardware, data centers would be a regulated utility like electricity and the internet required to provide open access third party safety, guardrails and audit, 2) inference providers can’t build apps beyond serving API requests 3) training data sets are required to be open sourced within 3 years of training a model.

What we are doing now is allowing vertical and horizontal integration of the hardware, training, inference and application layer. Last time we did that standard oil ended up owning the rail network, pipelines, oil fields, gas stations and refineries. Go see how that worked out for society.

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