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Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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post #13

I’m still on Sequoia because of all the Tahoe complaints. Not so much the rounded corners, but I heard performance was poor. Have updates to Tahoe improved things?

Performance was so-so, some minor degradations on my Studio. No change comparing today to half a year ago.

But my Apple TV 4K 2nd Generation turned into a 15 fps mess until I turned off the worst parts of transparency effects.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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The icons in menu items is one of the reasons I'm still on Sequoia. This settles it; I'll just stay on Sequoia until Golden Gate is released.

I can't say the following for sure, but there's evidence of it: One of Apple's real strengths and differentiators is that it listens to customer feedback to the point that it will say: "Hey, this was dumb. Customer feedback proves it. Let's just get rid of it like it never happened."

Other examples include getting rid of the earlier getting rid of Magsafe.

I don't know whether it's something taught in Apple School, but in the absence of not doing dumb things in the first place, which seems to be unavoidable in the real world with real people, it's probably the next best thing. And it may be enough better than the norm from tech companies that it's a real cultural differentiator.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

#33

You'd think they'd go the other direction and remove the text. I installed VLC on my phone, and I couldn't figure anything out, because it was covered in vague post-skeuomorphic icons without text.

VLC has atrocious UI, but don't complain, everybody loves the story of the app so it must be perfect in every way!

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

#34
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They toned down the effects in Golden Gate but the backend is doing the same amount of work to blend all that pointless stuff in. You'd get the performance back if they gave up on the translucently to the point of removing the code.

I'm so upset that Liquid Glass is visibly pixelated now. Like, it's barely even blurred at the least transparent setting -- it just looks like a very obviously downsampled background. Like distractingly/annoyingly downsampled. Ugh!! Screenshots: https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-RS6RP2QR-P772S... https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-RS6RP2QR-P772S... https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-…

I'm upset that Apple is wasting my shader transistors on it.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

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post #4

Meh - these icons were bad, but I don't see the disaster

It was death by a thousand cuts. I am not a designer and Tahoe bothered me enough that, after trying it at work, I've been actively stopping my personal Mac to update, and it was a factor in moving to android.

Liquid Glass motivated me to sell my Mac. But also, Linux becoming genuinely amazing and being able to play all my PC games played a role there as well.

I don’t find Android nearly as compelling, and Liquid Glass seems at least a bit less of a disaster on the iOS platform.

My suggestion to you is follow the Panther Lake laptops that are coming out as your potential future Mac off-ramp. I have a Framework 13 Pro on preorder [1] but some other laptops are also showing impressive results on battery life and GPU performance. If I had more money to blow I would totally grab a Zephyrus G14 2026 with the panther lake CPU and RTX 5070Ti. Although as a programmer’s laptop, the Framework is excellent and the 13 Pro looks like it’s shaping up to be a dream system.

[1] Unfortunately you can’t get the kind of RAM deal that I got for my 13 Pro anymore. As soon as the 13 Pro was announced I pounced on some new old stock of Crucial LPCAMM2 memory, which isn’t available anymore. I paid about $250 for 32GB, which is a “deal,” apparently. As of now you pretty much have to buy it from Framework as nobody else has it at a more reasonable price.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

#36
post #32

The icons in menu items is one of the reasons I'm still on Sequoia. This settles it; I'll just stay on Sequoia until Golden Gate is released. I can't say the following for sure, but there's evidence of it: One of Apple's real strengths and differentiators is that it listens to customer feedback to the point that it will say: "Hey, this was dumb. Customer feedback proves it. Let's just get rid of it like it never happ…

People tend to ascribe to Apple only the Jobs years. That Apple might have reset after he came back. The truth is far from that. The people in the company were great, they just needed a massive amount of refocus. Apple has people who have been there decades and have had to reverse incredibly stupid decisions.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

#37

You'd think they'd go the other direction and remove the text. I installed VLC on my phone, and I couldn't figure anything out, because it was covered in vague post-skeuomorphic icons without text.

VLC has atrocious UI, but don't complain, everybody loves the story of the app so it must be perfect in every way!

VLC does have atrocious UI but it works great, while macOS stuff both looks bad and does not work well, so I would take VLC easily.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

#38
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so upset that Liquid Glass is visibly pixelated now. Like, it's barely even blurred at the least transparent setting -- it just looks like a very obviously downsampled background. Like distractingly/annoyingly downsampled. Ugh!! Screenshots: https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-RS6RP2QR-P772S... https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-RS6RP2QR-P772S... https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-…

I'm upset that Apple is wasting my shader transistors on it.

They're trying to waste it less. For example, it's now very common for me to see it simply not update when I move a window that's behind another window. Which kinda ruins part of the magic for me.

Re: Sweet Jeebus, macOS 27 Golden Gate Removes the Dumb Icons from Menu Items

#40
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They toned down the effects in Golden Gate but the backend is doing the same amount of work to blend all that pointless stuff in. You'd get the performance back if they gave up on the translucently to the point of removing the code.

I'm so upset that Liquid Glass is visibly pixelated now. Like, it's barely even blurred at the least transparent setting -- it just looks like a very obviously downsampled background. Like distractingly/annoyingly downsampled. Ugh!! Screenshots: https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-RS6RP2QR-P772S... https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-RS6RP2QR-P772S... https://logandark.net/files/3SQ5P9OP-PP373NQ7-…

Huh, and I thought it's just my crappy old external monitor.
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