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Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Hi Eric, very excited to read your book. Im fan of The Lean Startup and it helped shape my couple of startups that I did (and got successful exit). Recently i've been having crisis and loss motivation on starting a new one after seeing SV getting corrupted in recent years, but im hoping your new book helps me revive the fire and show that starting a startup with the right ethics is possible. Anyway, my question is -…

Thanks for your kind words. Don't let the mercenaries get you down. They're depressing a lot of us, but they're not here to stay. People always want to judge these trends in the middle of a cycle, but during the hype cycle you can't really tell what's real and what's not. Give it a couple years and then let's revisit, shall we? It's a really complicated and confusing company to draw lessons from, partly because there…

Well said.

Thanks for the pointer. I’ll check it out.

Excited to read the book! Ordering mine today…

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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I mean, your proposed logic seems to be quite consistent from a basic game theory perspective. Defecting in a prisoners dilemma and races to the bottom are both well observed phenomena.

We have 10,000+ years of human civilization at this point. There must be some other active ethical maxim operating other than "choose the lesser of two evils" to explain why there is so much cooperation amongst humans. Evidence is not on the side of the preeminence of races to the bottom. You should investigate the repeated prisoners dilemma.

> You should investigate the repeated prisoners dilemma.

Well aware. Obviously, the entirety of human civilization is a bit more complicated than a prisoners dilemma, iterated or not. Yet prisoners dilemma's and races to the bottom still exist, and it makes no sense to argue against them in the abstract.

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Hi Eric, thoughts on capitalism? Call it 'financial gravity' but I think capitalism is the underlying insidious force. Obviously there's nuance but a world ran by companies with shareholders and profit margins isn't going to be a good one, is it?

I do make critiques of capitalism in the book, but I try to be very careful when using that word, since at this point most people can't even agree on what the word means. Here are some things that seem to me unequivocally true if we look at the historical record and the data available to us: 1. These kind of value-destroying actions in the name of profit have been going on for a very long time, at least 200 years. 2.…

> 3. The problem seems to be highly correlated with the increased financialization of our economies and the advent of a relatively recent set of so-called best practices about how companies should be built, run, and governed.

I have the seeds of a theory that might explain this: this is the inevitable outcome of technological progress.

Like the American democratic system, Capitalism works best when all major parties involved in the system have comparable power and can keep the other in check. The major parties here are the capital class and the labor class, because Capitalism was conceptualized in an era when value creation could not happen without human labor. As such there was some measure of power available to workers, the logical extreme of which were such distasteful words like "unions" and "strikes". Nevertheless, earlier there was some balance and everyone benefitted (after that messy little Gilded Age affair was sorted out.)

However, technology, in the form of automation, has essentially been a force of labor displacement. Yes, we got amazing improvements in quality of life, but every advance also chipped away at the influence and power held by workers.

On the other side, the capital class have not been idle. Money attracts money... and power and influence. Capitalists have been using those levers to ensure most of the gains of technology accrue to themselves. Lobbying is of course the most obvious example, influence campaigns is another. But relevant to your post, another way this surfaces is the "so-called best practices" you mentioned. There is no "collusion" to suppress wages, just "best practices" of amorphous origins. Which somehow always benefit the shareholders. Funny that.

As you said this has been going on for a long time. But technology is amongst other things, an accelerant, and these trends have simply been amplified to become more noticeable.

And now there's GenAI, which is the ultimate accelerant.

Contrary to most media and HN, however, I think GenAI is not just the ultimate win for capitalists. If you think about it, by the same token(s) that GenAI disintermediates labor, it also disintermediates capital! (Who needs VCs when 1 - 2 motivated folks can launch ambititious projects with GenAI and public clouds?

GenAI is a unique opportunity to restore balance, and could actually be the thing that ushers in the post-Capitalism age... whatever that looks like.

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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I'll give you a read.

If you haven't read it already, I strongly recommend the Knapp Commission Report. Its about police corruption in New York City in 1972, but its lessons on systemic and institutionalized corruption are highly transferable to other contexts.

Probably the most common naive mistake I see is people thinking their subfield is special and they are the first to really notice / understand fraud within it. I've certainly seen people in the "sleuth community" (scientific fraud whistle blowers) reinvent the wheel a few times.

All fraud is basically the same. Financial, scientific, police corruption...it almost doesn't matter. I'm not even the first to say this. A really good summary can be found in Ashforth 2003 ("The Normalization of Corruption in Organizations").

So, with the caveat that I haven't read your work yet and maybe you already know, I'd say look at past corruption far outside your area of interest / expertise. There's a lot you can learn there. Police corruption reports are usually great because of how accessible they are in several senses (more numerous, usually simple to understand), but I have no police related agenda to push here and it really doesn't matter where you decide to look. Just pick any Commission and read their findings.

In the opening words of the Knapp Commission "We found corruption to be widespread".

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Was it "financial gravity" that made the decision at VW to install emission cheat devices?

Was it "financial gravity" that made the decision at Google to cheat at the ad exchange?

Was it "financial gravity" that made the decision at DuPont to dump toxic sludge in the environment and make unsafe products?

Or perhaps was it just a group of immoral people chasing more personal gain and wealth?

Humans are too weak and too easily corrupted by wealth, power and shiny things and our political and economic systems place way too much power in the hands of fallible individuals. I expect it to be our downfall.

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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As an author, I'm navigating SO many angry people who are enraged at the idea of using AI tools in writing. How are you managing that?

As the old joke goes, "Very, very carefully." I used AI extensively in the research, editing, and promotion phases of creating the book (and even shared screen with a few podcast hosts who wanted to see the solveit platform from Answer.AI up close). To be clear, I never let the AI write for me; I am not a fan of "vibe creating" of any kind. Instead, I tried to use the AI to improve my own skills so that the final art…

shouldn't at least some of blame for that fall on the tech industry itself

Is that you, Eric 'Otter' Stratton from "Animal House"? You know, "I'm pre-law." "I thought you were pre-med." "What's the difference?"

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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> But if you think that the courage that Dario has regularly shown would be possible with a conventional "best practices" structure, I think you're kidding yourself. With respect to OP (who has a unique vantage from inside), I do agree with this on principle. When there are uncommon outcomes, there must be uncommon structure imho. A "good structure" is like oxygen, water, or peace: When it's well-maintained and well-…

The structure requires maintenance and that is done by an individual or individuals. The real reasons a good company stays good is because the leadership stays good. When the leadership begins to disengage or leaves or changes in some way then the structure will begin to break down. You can't fix it with a "better" structure. It will decay over time unless someone is actively maintaining it.

Zaphod, is that you???

In all seriousness, yes, individual leadership at the top has to be willing to steelman controversial issues and potential changes of direction, as well engage in unapologetic gatekeeping. At this point we've seen this over and over in tech when observing corporate successes and failures.

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Was it "financial gravity" that made the decision at VW to install emission cheat devices? Was it "financial gravity" that made the decision at Google to cheat at the ad exchange? Was it "financial gravity" that made the decision at DuPont to dump toxic sludge in the environment and make unsafe products? Or perhaps was it just a group of immoral people chasing more personal gain and wealth? Humans are too weak and to…

Answer: the cause was financial gravity, rather than immoral people, because the former is what selects for the ladder.

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Eric, thank you for taking time to answer questions! I read The Lean Startup early in my career and it shaped a lot of it. I’m keen to read your new book As I read through your comments, one question popped into my head: what’s your thoughts about the Friedman doctrine ? Do you address it in your book? Specifically, the Friedman doctrine makes the argument that the social responsibility of the firm is to increase its…

I'm not Eric, and I'm not an economist, but I'd suggest this quote is mostly used to drive up profits for shareholders, and not for the benefit of the other two constituencies.

For example, we bought a company, and over the next year or so doubled wages in that company. Our "social responsibility" in that case was to spend shareholder money so that workers had a living wage. That doesn't seem to be the story I hear about say Amazon.

Yes, we've also spent money outside of those 3 groups. We contribute to charity. We spend money encouraging staff (and customers) to get cancer screenings etc. We spend (I guess shareholder money) on lots of things that are adjacent to our actual business.

Frankly, in the long run, I think it ultimately helps the business. It makes us "human" and reminds us that we control money, the money does not control us. This permeates through employee relationships, it permeates customer relationships. Ultimately that makes for a stronger company, built to last.

We've had acquisition offers. The shareholders have resisted them so far (despite easy riches) because we've seen what happens to other companies our size when they get acquired. Shareholder interest flows up. Staff (and by extension society) interest goes down. Ultimately most everyone leaves.

Re: I'm Eric Ries, author of "The Lean Startup" and new book "Incorruptible" – AMA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have 10,000+ years of human civilization at this point. There must be some other active ethical maxim operating other than "choose the lesser of two evils" to explain why there is so much cooperation amongst humans. Evidence is not on the side of the preeminence of races to the bottom. You should investigate the repeated prisoners dilemma.

> You should investigate the repeated prisoners dilemma. Well aware. Obviously, the entirety of human civilization is a bit more complicated than a prisoners dilemma, iterated or not. Yet prisoners dilemma's and races to the bottom still exist, and it makes no sense to argue against them in the abstract.

I think we are very disconnected on the topic of conversation here. Somehow you've confabulated my point with an attack on the prisoners dilemma or races to the bottom?

The person I was responding to made the point that if you want to minimize evil in the world, sometimes you have to add evil to a lesser degree. As in my example, if I do 9 points of evil but prevent 10 points of evil then according to OP I've added value to the world in the form of the 1 point of evil I have reduced.

I responded that this can lead to an escalation trap. This assumes that we would all prefer less evil in the world, right? So how do we get out of the escalation trap? Repeated application of the maxim "always do a bit less evil than the worst possible competitor" will not lead to a minimization of evil overall, only a creeping increase in the total amount of evil in the world.

How are you equating this to me arguing against the existence of races to the bottom?

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