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Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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This all feels like a race where the model companies try to solve doing work locally in a way that doesn't suck, before the major operating systems companies figure out AI integration into their OS that doesn't suck. It also makes me wonder why Google which has both Gemini and Android can't figure this out, and if there are lessons to draw from that.

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Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

The Pixel series outside of security (to which their own flavor of Android doesn't even take advantage of like we see with GrapheneOS) doesn't have any particular outliers that would make it any more or less enticing than another company's phone.

Their ChromeOS hardware was nice but had lackluster software and by the time it was EoL'd, never got the love of ChromeOS-present.

Google TV generally gets outpaced by onn (Walmart's brand) on cost and value proposition.

And also the fact they have shown time and time again that they just kill products over and over again.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Which products are outstanding in their categories?

Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding.

They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be judging.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

The Pixel series outside of security (to which their own flavor of Android doesn't even take advantage of like we see with GrapheneOS) doesn't have any particular outliers that would make it any more or less enticing than another company's phone. Their ChromeOS hardware was nice but had lackluster software and by the time it was EoL'd, never got the love of ChromeOS-present. Google TV generally gets outpaced by onn (…

Ah, hardware products.

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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post #14

This all feels like a race where the model companies try to solve doing work locally in a way that doesn't suck, before the major operating systems companies figure out AI integration into their OS that doesn't suck. It also makes me wonder why Google which has both Gemini and Android can't figure this out, and if there are lessons to draw from that.

Google is probably already doing and releasing the most actual research into this (like the work that went into Gemma 4)

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Which products are outstanding in their categories? Gmail isn't outstanding, search isn't outstanding, maps isn't outstanding. They are all pretty par for the course. Google used to be outstanding... but I'm not sure of a single product they have that is outstanding (def: significantly better than the competition) anymore. On the other hand I rarely use any google products these days, so maybe I'm not the one to be j…

Google Cloud is great, compared to legacy and fragmented AWS

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Have you tried to admin a large team using Google's admin? :(

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

Arguably, "exceptional" products are not ones that can vanish on a whim, like a great, great many of Google products have. Or they actually compete with other products in the same space, like a great, great many of Google products have not. Also, one would argue a good product is not one that is bought out and then deliberately destroyed to prevent its expansion into or development of a market for itself. Google is an advertising company with tremendous reach because of a handful of very aggressive and very fortunate business decisions that successfully exploded. It now uses its massive influence to exert market pressure, but the market does not always bend to its whim because sometimes it does things wrong, some of those products it pushes fail, and I can only assume some products are slaughtered because of projections on their performance regardless of their quality or utility.

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Re: Claude Desktop spawns 1.8 GB Hyper-V VM on every launch, even for chat-only use

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is historically terrible as a product company (and has succeeded in spite of that) As their technical innovations become less of a moat (we're already there) they won't be able to win on engineering alone (they are no longer winning on engineering alone)

How are Google products anything but outstanding in their categories? What are you comparing to?

The about 7 different text chat applications they had?

At some point GoogleTalk was one of the leading global text messengers, and then it was basically destroyed by Google itself.

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