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New York City celebrates day without violent crime

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Re: New York City celebrates day without violent crime

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There have been 366 murders so far this year in New York City, compared with 472 at this time last year. As an ex-resident of NYC, while I applaud the fact that violent crime is at its lowest point in 50 years, I still think 366 murders per year (with a month to go) is appalling, big city or not. I'm not sure if murders are equally distributed across boroughs, but assuming they are, 366/5 = ~73 murders per year per b…

I hate to just bust out some stats here, but:

The average murder rate in the US is roughly 5.0 per 100,000 and falling [1]. NYC's population fluctuates between its 8.2 million residents in the evenings and closer to 10.5 million people during the day (due to commuters), but let's go with a conservative 8.5M for this calculation. In that case, we should expect 425 murders in a city this size. At 366 murders in 2012 by the end of November, we're on track to beating that average.

Murders are horrible, and I don't want to in any way say that a nonzero murder rate is good, but I actually do think that NYC's massive decrease in homicide over the last two decades is a cause for celebration. I didn't live here in the late 90s, but I have friends who did who would never have set foot in large swaths of Manhattan because they were simply too unsafe. These same people will happily go to a house party in Bed Stuy.

Are we done? No. Is this cause to celebrate? I think so. Celebrating major milestones on the road to improvement is normal and healthy. The only trick is not to conflate that celebration with you being "done." I don't think we're doing that.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Re: New York City celebrates day without violent crime

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Um... there was a hurricane... kinda hard to go kill some one when you can't even leave your house.

Yup, when the massive snow storm hit Baltimore 2 years ago their murder rate for that month was a historic low. As soon as the snow was cleared the crime rate returned to normal.

Re: New York City celebrates day without violent crime

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I grew up in NYC during the high-crime Lindsay/Koch years. I would apply some skepticism to crime statistics derived from police reports. While I don't doubt that violent crime is way down, it's also true that people tend not to bother to report many crimes, because the police don't seem to be interested. While I'm sure that most murders would end up in the official statistics, I know that plenty of assaults, etc. are just never reported.

Re: New York City celebrates day without violent crime

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What a beautiful thing to report. A significant reduction from 1990's six murders per day ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City ).

Does anyone else think it's odd that that link only records 600 murders in NYC in 2001? I would expect the number to be closer to 3,000.

While I see your point, that would basically make the statistic useless.
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