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F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

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Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#61
I think the culture of NASCAR really prevents people who would be more interested in F1 from approaching motorsports.

The reality is that the Venn diagram of people who shop and Wal*Mart and people who watch NASCAR is probably closer to a circle than a lot of people are comfortable with.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#63
Just another thought on this. We had an American in F1 just a few years ago. Scott Speed drove for Toro Rosso. Unfortunately I think he was mediocre and drove for a mediocre at best team. American Alexander Rossi tested for Caterham F1. And American Conor Daly is enjoying success in GP3.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#64
The story of sports in America is the story of television interests. The reason the media doesn't promote F1 is that they cannot control the sport from that point of view. What TV (other than specialized channels) is interested in a sport in which half of the races happen before dawn (in Asia)?

The only sports that do well in America are the ones with a powerful league that can control all the TV rights and make the necessary deals with TV networks.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#65
post #36

This isn't just a lack of interest in F1, it's an almost complete lack of modern motorsports in general. Oddly enough, for a country where cars are sacred, the US has barely any capability to develop racing cars of any kind (NASCAR is low tech, Indycar, like most other US racing series, buys its cars from Europe), and there is little to no serious competition. There are no modern racetracks (besides Austin), the faci…

>NASCAR is low tech Isn't that a common myth?

Nascar is low-tech in many ways. The car bodies must fit production sedan templates, so the the chassis is welded tubular steel instead of carbon monocoque like on F1 or Indycar. The engines are carbureted instead of fuel injected. There's no turbochargers (although Indy just got those back this year as well). There are strict rules about spoiler size and type.

They do make extensive use of sensors and telemetry, but the cars themselves are pretty retro.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#66
post #36

This isn't just a lack of interest in F1, it's an almost complete lack of modern motorsports in general. Oddly enough, for a country where cars are sacred, the US has barely any capability to develop racing cars of any kind (NASCAR is low tech, Indycar, like most other US racing series, buys its cars from Europe), and there is little to no serious competition. There are no modern racetracks (besides Austin), the faci…

>NASCAR is low tech Isn't that a common myth?

Nope. It's been what, only 2 years in to NASCAR actually having EFI engines? Even then, the teams were restricted from being able to use all of the data from the ECU, so everyone had to run at gimped tuning.

V8 Supercars, for example, debuts more tech in one race than NASCAR does in a season. Even WRC Rally cars are questionably more complicated.

edit: EFI was introduced 1 year ago.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#67
post #36

This isn't just a lack of interest in F1, it's an almost complete lack of modern motorsports in general. Oddly enough, for a country where cars are sacred, the US has barely any capability to develop racing cars of any kind (NASCAR is low tech, Indycar, like most other US racing series, buys its cars from Europe), and there is little to no serious competition. There are no modern racetracks (besides Austin), the faci…

The US isn't a third world country in regards to racing. Rather, it's motorsports heritage is somewhat antithetical to that of F1.

Motorsports in the US reflect this "run what you brung" democratic ethos. The high profile manufacturers in US motorsports are not Ferrari and Lotus. They are Ford and and Chevy and Dodge (and more recently Honda and Toyota). The manufacturer's badges in the parking lot correlate with those on the track.

NASCAR's racing culture is an organic extension of the cars and tracks that make up local races on Friday nights in rural areas. Compared to Formula 1, NASCAR's rules are designed to keep cost per race down and more participation (about three times as many teams in 2013). They are designed to allow frequent racing (about twice as many races, more than two every three weeks).

Instead, high tech motorsports in the U.S. has historically focused on straight line speed, but it always keeps the "run what you brung" ethos.

Got a nitro-methane mixture in the tank ? There's probably someone willing to go mano-a-mano down the track. Four G's and four seconds later, it's decided. And turbine heads with a surplus jet engine will always have Bonneville where the Art Alfonses of the world can take on the corporate Breedloves.

One of the NASCAR ovals mentioned in the article was Bristol. It's in the middle of nowhere, 290 miles from Atlanta, 340 miles from Nashville, and separated from both by the mountains. It holds 160,000 spectators. They don't generally stay in four star hotels, they camp. Good luck finding such rooms in the nearest metropolis. Johnson City Tennessee ain't Monaco.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#68
post #36

This isn't just a lack of interest in F1, it's an almost complete lack of modern motorsports in general. Oddly enough, for a country where cars are sacred, the US has barely any capability to develop racing cars of any kind (NASCAR is low tech, Indycar, like most other US racing series, buys its cars from Europe), and there is little to no serious competition. There are no modern racetracks (besides Austin), the faci…

Lack of interest in soccer means that the US isn't very good in international football for lack of interest, not that it has 'barely any capability to develop' same.

Race cars are not development, they are entertainment. This is like criticizing Europe for not having enough pro wrestling/luchador stuff going on.

Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#69

The story of sports in America is the story of television interests. The reason the media doesn't promote F1 is that they cannot control the sport from that point of view. What TV (other than specialized channels) is interested in a sport in which half of the races happen before dawn (in Asia)? The only sports that do well in America are the ones with a powerful league that can control all the TV rights and make the…

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Re: F1, like soccer and the metric system, is OK for everyone except Americans

#70
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a cheap shot on your behalf. Life isn't about bullying my friend.

Amusing that you didn't post this exact phrase to whomever posted this article on Hacker News. This article was nothing more than stereotypical Euro-bullying. I mean, "like soccer and the metric system" -- do Europeans really have to list every way they're superior every time the subject comes up? Come on.

But but but.. qz.com is an American company based in NY. Maybe they just hate NASCAR. Who knows?

Now, their attitude doesn't justify yours. We are all equals, or at least that's the theory.

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