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RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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Most hackathons have been this way for a long time. I recall spending a weekend working out some really thorny data classification problem but got nowhere, all the winners had slick presentation slides and a 30 second code demo of a glorified CRUD app.

To a large degree, this is how the real world works too.

Absolutely. Which is why the hackathon was conceived: to serve as an escape from the real world.

All good things must come to an end, I suppose.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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To a large degree, this is how the real world works too.

Absolutely. Which is why the hackathon was conceived: to serve as an escape from the real world. All good things must come to an end, I suppose.

When I first read about the hackathon concept, it was a bunch of OpenBSD developers getting together to work on stuff like cryptography or drivers. I think it was from Facebook where I first heard it as some bullshit corporate event. The idea of a "winner" seems to misunderstand what should be a goal. It's not a competition. It's collaboration.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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How does that work if a digikey order takes 1-2 days, and ordering a PCB even longer?

> How does that work if a digikey order takes 1-2 days, and ordering a PCB even longer? In this case, Hardware hackathon means wiring up the digital or analog input/output pins of an Arduino/Raspberry pi to something and writing software to control/interface with it. Perhaps with a few simple components on a prototype board

We did this once at a traditional hackathon - we took a food dehydrator and wired up a temp sensor and raspberry pi, wrote PID controls and turned it into a 3D printer filament dryer.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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as someone who got into linux and open source in the early 90s I will never stop being sad that "hackathon" morphed into a competitive activity, rather than "let's all get together and build some free software collaboratively". I guess the latter tends to get called a "dev sprint" these days, but it's always the first thing I think of when I hear "hackathon"

Agreed- the idea of "winning" a hackathon seems kind of wild to me. It doesn't seem like something you should be able to win.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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I'm ok with them. It's all the stuff I'm weak on: pitching, making eye-contact, telling convincing stories, and engaging audience. I suck at this. Making people feel my pain or communicating effectively quickly I'm total garbage at. Hackathons are now only this. They have turned into an exercise that highlights my core weaknesses and that's why 25 years into my career I'm going to them almost every weekend. This is t…

Ah I hear that. Do you think it's more like a self confidence problem? Not to attack or bring you down in any way, just wondering from a self diagnostic and awareness perspective.

I feel your way some times too, and when I reframe it and share with others from a place of interest and passion and let go of performance & anxiety, I usually don't come across as total garbage.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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> How does that work if a digikey order takes 1-2 days, and ordering a PCB even longer? In this case, Hardware hackathon means wiring up the digital or analog input/output pins of an Arduino/Raspberry pi to something and writing software to control/interface with it. Perhaps with a few simple components on a prototype board

We did this once at a traditional hackathon - we took a food dehydrator and wired up a temp sensor and raspberry pi, wrote PID controls and turned it into a 3D printer filament dryer.

I bet somewhere in Shenzhen you can actually have a hardware hackaton with an infinite supply of components and a PCB fab around the corner.

They should organize this and show us how it is done :)

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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> A bad design with a good presentation is doomed eventually. A good design with a bad presentation is doomed immediately. - Akin's 20th law of spacecraft design I always really enjoyed making a slick presentation. It was a lot of fun figuring out how to scope the hardest problem you are sure you can finish in 24hr while still having time to polish your presentation and make the app look good. I find picking a proble…

I get that… but that’s basically a startup pitching competition. It’s not a hackathon.

Aren't most hackathons pseudo-startup pitching competitions? At the very least, they've always been about established companies trying to extract value from newcomers.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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But the winner didn't remove the tree. They just built a an AI team of tree-cutters...

That may not actually cut trees.

Yes. They wrote an AI prompt to cut a tree and gave a presentation about how this is the future of tree cutting. They did not cut the tree, nor build a robot that cut the tree. They fantasised about building a robot that builds a robot that cuts the tree.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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Yes, I ran into this during an internal company hackathon. This was before LLMs. We took a problem, designed an internal tool for it, and put some Bootstrap UI on top with some fancy CSS animations. After wiring up the mock data, it looked convincigly real. We did win, got congratulated by upper management, and were immediately asked if we could get this into production in a week, or do we need 2?

Corporate "hackatons" are often a mess. We have anything from a truly novel ideas clearly invented right at the hackaton (as was originally intended) which are rough and very unpolished and buggy or even broken, to teams brazenly bringing up developments which clearly were ongoing for months, not even hiding that and showing weeks or months of test and dev results in the eventual presentation. The latter teams won of…

> but the spirit of the contest goes out of the window.

"-thons" aren't contests, at least not in the traditional sense, they are activities where participants test the limits of their endurance. A marathon, for example, allows runners to see how far they can push themselves running. Likewise, a hackathon gives a place for one to see how far they can push themselves to create something over a short amount of time, beyond what would normally be possible, and beyond what would be sustainable in an everyday setting. I suppose you could argue that it is contest with yourself, but calling that a contest is atypical.

You are right to call out that few people want to push themselves to their limits for a corporate event, so corporate entities have turned to contests instead to try and find something that does appeal, but a contest, no matter how it is conducted, is outside of the spirit of a hackathon.

Re: RIP software hackathons. Long live the hardware hackathon

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I was a corporate representative of a sponsor of a major hackathon a bit over a decade ago... two of the presentations that stood out to me was one with Google Glasses that allowed the presenter to control the presentation, see the notes slides on his view, while the presentation showed a different deck/slide, using gestures to switch for either.

The other presentation that stuck out, iirc, became leet codes.

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