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APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by InclinedPlane »

pjmlp wrote: post #87
InclinedPlane wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't 2005 anymore, IE is becoming rapidly less relevant as time goes on. Other desktop browsers have been gaining marketshare and the most popular mobile devices do not use IE. Currently, IE marketshare is on a half-life of about 3.5 years, in another few years IE may even become inconsequential. In the meantime I think IE has lost its ability to prevent advancement of web technology merely by lagging on adopti…

Unless you have customers requiring the same web site works the same way in IE as well.

Certainly, and that will always block some web apps from adopting some new technologies. But is it going to block those new technologies from becoming fairly popular even if they are not universal? I highly doubt it.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by est »

vitno wrote: post #3

You are forgetting webRTC. (peer 2 peer data connections)

I'd rather hope Chrome open API for its XMPP connection. Which is currently used for Chrome Sync.

You can build p2p video, audio, multicast, real-time notification, etc. wrapped in a industrial level message channel.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by huhtenberg »

hfz wrote: post #60
superasn wrote: post #37

CSS filters are already in Chrome and Safari, and allow advanced styling as as blurring, warping and modifying the color intensities of elements. Isn't it funny that the first browser to implement these "filters" was IE 4.0 [1]. And at that time using any of these filters was a bit frowned upon and amateurish. Now suddenly everyone is gung-ho about it and calling it the API that will transform the web in 2013. [1] ht…

Similar to how IE's box model was deemed incorrect until fast-forward today and people realized that their box model was simpler and easier to use compared to the standard. See: http://paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/

Sure, but IE screwed up more things than it got right. Way more.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by leoedin »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #66
st0p wrote: post #17

None of this will work in IE7, IE8, IE9 or IE10. This will transform absolutely nothing on the web for many years to come. I can understand people getting hyped up about cool new tech like this, but the article has way too much hyperbole to take any of it seriously.

This isn't 2005 anymore, IE is becoming rapidly less relevant as time goes on. Other desktop browsers have been gaining marketshare and the most popular mobile devices do not use IE. Currently, IE marketshare is on a half-life of about 3.5 years, in another few years IE may even become inconsequential. In the meantime I think IE has lost its ability to prevent advancement of web technology merely by lagging on adopti…

IE is so embedded in a lot of corporate machines that it will never simply go away. IE9 is good enough that in my experience even large users (like universities and large companies) are moving away from offering alternative browsers. Deploying only IE to thousands of machines is a lot easier than deploying Chrome or Firefox.

Consumer traffic may make the bulk of the web, but the actual financial contribution towards web development in terms of dollars-per-user is far, far greater for corporate traffic.

IE may be less relevant for consumer traffic, but it is just as relevant for corporate traffic. Given that corporate use is worth so much more financially, it won't go away. The IT department in a big company doesn't care what the cool kids are doing.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by leoedin »

skyhook_mockups wrote: post #71
awj wrote: post #58

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> Oh and for those who can't or don't know how to upgrade away from IE7-10 there's ChromeFrame. That covers the remaining portion of the web. Most people who can't or don't know how to upgrade away from IE7-10 won't be able to manage installing a plugin either. That aside, I don't consider a beta plugin to be an acceptable answer to this question in any context.

As my original post said this all applies to web applications . If you're building a consumer facing brochure site then you neither want nor need most of these new web features. Have you actually used or tried to deploy ChromeFrame? Its plenty ready for prime time, and features: 1. A 60sec installation 2. No browser restart required 3. No admin rights necessary 4. IE6+ 5. Autoupdate just like regular chrome Even the…

What proportion of web applications are funded by large companies? Obviously in terms of actual users, there's always going to be far more consumers than corporate users, but in terms of dollars-per-user? Any large company will have a large number of internal, normally web based, tools for all sorts of things - training, asset management, expenses, travel booking - and the amount of money that the company will pay for these tools will always be higher on a per-user basis than either adverts or consumer payments would bring in. Certainly sites with almost no broad corporate use - social networks and the like - will have fairly insignificant IE use, but corporate facing web applications will see broad IE use.

ChromeFrame is great, but it is probably against the usage policies of a lot of companies. Even if it isn't, most people are fairly wary of installing something on their company machine. You'd need the IT department on side to get broad deployment.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by BadDesign »

abk wrote: post #55
BadDesign wrote: post #33

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So what?! How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? I tell you - less than a minute. There.

You'd be surprised by how many people won't do that. In my opinion, it's your job as a designer / developer to make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible, and not expect users to jump through hoops (no matter how small) to use it.

"it's your job as a designer / developer to make sure your product works for as many people as reasonably possible, and not expect users to jump through hoops (no matter how small) to use it."

I totally disagree. Why it should be my job? Do you want to use my product? Then use the right environment where my product works as it should, otherwise GTFO.

I don't want my product be used by incompetent users. Its 2012, people ought to be educated about technology.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by BadDesign »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #67
BadDesign wrote: post #33

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So what?! How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? I tell you - less than a minute. There.

> How much time it takes to install a different/newer browser? In a corporate environment? Anywhere from days to years.

Where the heck do you live? What "corporate environments" ?

I work for several years as a software developer in the "corporate world" and I can install whatever the heck I want on my machine.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by icebraining »

est wrote: post #89
yuhong wrote: post #64

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And IE10 got rid of them: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/06/04/legacy-dx-filt...

IE7 got rid of DirectAnimation, which is basically DirectX in IE, since IE4. And now there's WebGL. And other features like - DirectMusic (MIDI support) - VRML (which is basically SVG) - dHTML+TIME (animiation support) - page transition effects - render doc/ppt/xls in html - .htc as web components

VRML (which is basically SVG)

Not really; VRML was a 3D modeling language, while SVG is for 2D images/animations.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by mcot2 »

I think flexbox is bigger than any of those. The new spec is already in WebKit and the Firefox nightlys as well as Opera.

Advanced CSS layout is vitally important for creating web apps with the nice benefit of eliminating almost all extra markup that was used for layout.

Re: APIs that will transform the Web in 2013

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Post by wiremine »

st0p wrote: post #17

None of this will work in IE7, IE8, IE9 or IE10. This will transform absolutely nothing on the web for many years to come. I can understand people getting hyped up about cool new tech like this, but the article has way too much hyperbole to take any of it seriously.

"This will transform absolutely nothing on the web for many years to come."

Yes, a better title would have been "5 APIs that will transform the Web in 2023" or maybe "5 APIs that will transform the Web in 2018" but that's not sexy enough.

However, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand just because the timeline is sensational. The web is mature and huge, so any real, meaningful technological change is going to take decades at this point. That's a good thing, IMHO: the "browser wars" didn't really help anyone, user or developer.

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