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AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by irthomasthomas »

scottmcmac wrote: post #64
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #27

This is odd behaviour, and provides some evidence that Anthropic isn't being managed by serious people. With this policy across AWS/GH/Zed/etc, they're taking their massive lead in enterprise/govt sales and handing it to any competitor who can serve a model anywhere near these capabilities with a modestly nice UI.

I mean, they were already capacity constrained and just introduced a larger model that takes more capacity to run... They were gonna have to hand some business to competitor one way or another.

Is it a larger model or just better trained? Anthropic does not actually claim it is a larger model anywhere that I can see.

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by [deleted] »

pitched wrote: post #33
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #24

Note that if you use AWS Bedrock then you're choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic. It is literally 10X to 20-X cheaper to directly buy Anthropic subscriptions for your devs.

The security boundary that AWS maintains is important in a lot areas, like medical, where the datacenter has to support some specific certifications. It isn’t a choice to pay 10x more in those cases, it is the only option allowed.

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Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by easton »

voxic11 wrote: post #56
pitched wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI just added their own models to Bedrock recently too, making that an easy switch.

Bedrock doesn't offer zero data retention for OpenAI's latest models either > For OpenAI GPT-5.4 and GPT-5.5, classifier-flagged traffic will be retained for up to 30 days for automated offline abuse detection https://docs.aws.amazon.com/bedrock/latest/userguide/abuse-d...

I think that’s by AWS though. For Fable you need to flip an account wide flag that says “I want to share my prompts with the model vendor.”

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by embedding-shape »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #38
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #27

This is odd behaviour, and provides some evidence that Anthropic isn't being managed by serious people. With this policy across AWS/GH/Zed/etc, they're taking their massive lead in enterprise/govt sales and handing it to any competitor who can serve a model anywhere near these capabilities with a modestly nice UI.

Let’s be real, chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought than the passing thought that you gave this comment.

> chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought

Sure, but considering the average person and how short-term their thinking tends to be, I'm not sure I'd jump straight into "think about how much money they could lose, of course they think long-term".

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by embedding-shape »

j-bos wrote: post #42
lijok wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would be very, very surprised

Yeah, seen some downright facepalm moves from execs regarding AI and security.

Don't even need to involve AI or security to be able to highlight some very strange decisions that seem more like intentional sabotage from the inside than anything else. Of course, people are more likely just dumb and lack long-term thinking.

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by cobolcomesback »

walthamstow wrote: post #61
Sayrus wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Through Google Cloud's Agent Platform: Retention will need to be enabled for your new covered model, and retained data stays in your GCP environment. When models become available, onboarding details will be shared. From https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15425996-data-retenti...

At least it stays in your GCP environment, AWS disclosure says that it will leave your data privacy and security boundary.

That Claude support page says the exact same thing about AWS (“retained data stays in your AWS environment”). AWS’s docs say differently, though, so it seems one of them has incorrect documentation. I wouldn’t necessarily trust the Claude docs to be correct even regarding GCP until some of this is ironed out.

edit: Google’s own docs also say zero data retention isn’t possible with Fable and your data will be retained for 60 days “outside of your account”. I’m doubtful that this data sharing is an AWS-only thing.

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by Vespasian »

dhruvrrp wrote: post #23
_pdp_ wrote: post #8

This is not going to fly in EU.

This will fly in EU. As long as the company states the time period for which it will keep data and clean it afterwards, gdpr has no issues with the data retention. Their carve-outs for safety (public interest) and legal are also valid exceptions in gdpr as well.

Yeah it'll fly legally.

Everybody should just assume that they are lying about data retention and learning anyway.

They showed zero respect for intellectual property in the past and they will show zero respect now or in the future. A few thousand Euros/dollars in subscription doesn't matter when several trillions are in play (at least in their plans).

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by dwedge »

razieloren wrote: post #19

it's either this or playing x30 for a token, anyhow i physically can't write code again

I mean being priced put of sota AI has been on the cards for a year it's mostly a question of when. If that will affect you maybe you should use the chance to resharpen your skills

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by baq »

romanovcode wrote: post #6

> except in the rare cases where it's part of a safety investigation or we're legally required to keep it So basically all your data will flow to NSA/CIA/Mossad if they show even slight interest in your org or you as a person. Gotcha.

always has been, they're explicitly warning you about this now.
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