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Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by hhjinks »

onion2k wrote: post #64
nkrisc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People born with Down syndrome deserve all the respect and dignity any other person does. I have two kids. If I could have chosen whether or not they would be born with Down syndrome I would choose would “without” every single time. If either of them were born with it I would love them the same but I would never choose it, if I had the choice to make.

The point the OP is making is that given the choice parents will always choose a 100% 'perfect' child who will live a happy and long life free from things that make it difficult. Until relatively recently this hasn't actually been a choice though - as much as you'd like that, you've not been about to tell much about the long term future of a foetus so you got what Mother Nature blessed you with. Increasingly though,…

Neither the OP nor you give a reason for why that's bad. I want my child to have all possible advantages in life. I'm sure most people want that. Why shouldn't we select for that? I'm interested in hearing an argument that doesn't go into anti-abortion territory.

Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by otikik »

codedokode wrote: post #69
fabbbbb wrote: post #16

It reads like a specific genome would lead to deterministic outcomes. It does not. Life is messy. Most Down Syndrome people have happy lives, some can even live alone and have an independent daily live. Life expectancy is up to 60 years. Yet in Iceland „Democratization“ of genetic diagnosis lead to basically 0% Down Syndrome kids (births). Where does this stop? What with someone of a genetic indication of aggressive…

The future is with gene editing to fix invalid genetic code. However, the owners of good genes probably won't give them away for free so it would be available only to the riches.

How are they going to prevent stealing of genetic code? With copyright? See how that went with AI.

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Post by ElProlactin »

tclancy wrote: post #67
ElProlactin wrote: post #65

> Saying goodbye would have been easier had we known with certainty there was no hope. I found this to be the most interesting theory in the post because I'm not convinced it's at all true.

My mom always said never to judge a person until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes. I could walk a whole marathon and still wouldn’t feel like I had perspective enough to judge people in this case. The story made me gasp at that point like I’d been struck. (And then there was the whole “antinatalist” bit and I am trying really hard to keep this dude’s shoes tied so I will stop there)

To be fair, I think it's easy to believe this. It seems logical that if you knew for sure that someone you loved was dying, you'd be in a better position to accept it, but human experience is more than logic.

Speaking from my own first-hand experience, saying "goodbye" is never easy regardless of the circumstances. Every goodbye has its own texture and none is "easier" than another. They're just...different.

Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by hombre_fatal »

onion2k wrote: post #64
nkrisc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People born with Down syndrome deserve all the respect and dignity any other person does. I have two kids. If I could have chosen whether or not they would be born with Down syndrome I would choose would “without” every single time. If either of them were born with it I would love them the same but I would never choose it, if I had the choice to make.

The point the OP is making is that given the choice parents will always choose a 100% 'perfect' child who will live a happy and long life free from things that make it difficult. Until relatively recently this hasn't actually been a choice though - as much as you'd like that, you've not been about to tell much about the long term future of a foetus so you got what Mother Nature blessed you with. Increasingly though,…

Given the amount of love, energy, and attention it takes to raise a kid, I don't see why I should care how selective somebody else wants to be.

Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by darkwater »

myzek wrote: post #23

My first son will be born in 2 months and I must say, between stories like this and others that I learned in antenatal classes - I have never been more terrified in my life

You start worrying when they are in the womb... and never really stop worrying til you die.

Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by codedokode »

otikik wrote: post #72
codedokode wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future is with gene editing to fix invalid genetic code. However, the owners of good genes probably won't give them away for free so it would be available only to the riches.

How are they going to prevent stealing of genetic code? With copyright? See how that went with AI.

This is why you should never consent to DNA collection because they will just keep it and sell it later without paying you a cent.

Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #74
onion2k wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point the OP is making is that given the choice parents will always choose a 100% 'perfect' child who will live a happy and long life free from things that make it difficult. Until relatively recently this hasn't actually been a choice though - as much as you'd like that, you've not been about to tell much about the long term future of a foetus so you got what Mother Nature blessed you with. Increasingly though,…

Given the amount of love, energy, and attention it takes to raise a kid, I don't see why I should care how selective somebody else wants to be.

This sort of thinking is incredibly dangerous to society at large, to say nothing of the danger to your own heart and soul.

Character, beauty, love, sacrifice. Every one of these involves pain and it makes life worth living. You can't avoid pain, so you might as well engage it in service of those you hold dear.

You should very much care about society wielding a sword like this, because historically we do not wield it well.

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Post by darkwater »

fabbbbb wrote: post #35
inglor_cz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most cannot live alone and their parents have to take care about a huge, powerful 100 kg baby that needs constant attention until its death. My friend from elementary school has had a Down kid at 19. She takes it well, but managing a grown-up man five times as strong as her (she is petite) when he decides to do something like "take his bicycle and ride on a busy highway" is exhausting. This is why most people abort D…

Does this make sense to you and her? Does she wish the kid would not have been born?

Are you willing to deny her also the right to that thought?

I'm not in favor of eugenics but you started from there and now you are sounding "pro-life" each time more as you write more messages in the thread.

Re: Vibe coding my way to a healthy family: Introducing Gamow Labs

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Post by Tade0 »

myzek wrote: post #23

My first son will be born in 2 months and I must say, between stories like this and others that I learned in antenatal classes - I have never been more terrified in my life

It's going to be okay.

I mean, make no mistake, it is terrifying, but you'll make it through eventually and it will be okay.

Also not sure if this was covered in class, but in case it wasn't: You need to rotate the baby. The baby needs rotation so that the head doesn't grow misshapen. Rotate the baby.

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