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They trained their models on everyone's data on the internet, and certainly violated many website terms of service.
that option is still available to everyone to be clear, I'm not saying what they did in scraping to learn was ethical. It wasn't. But I just don't see it as pulling the ladder. The ladder is still there.
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#222I spend a lot of time telling Opus 4.8 to search for security bugs in the code it wrote, and it spends a lot of time finding them, and then fixing them. Fable wont let me fix the security issues that Opus 4.8 created.
Tomorrows AI may either refuse, or silently mess up your code because Anthropic don't like what you're working on.
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What moat? There are multiple companies providing pareto-optimal frontier models, and it takes O(10) people to build one of these things. The rest is capital intensive, and the price will approach the cost of production over time. Thinking this is a profitable endeavor is equivalent to claiming coal plants have good margins because boilers are expensive.
I think we agree? What moat? You answered yourself: "capital intensive" But, history says the supercomputer of today will fit in your pocket in a few years. They've bought up all the RAM and GPUs, which pushes the capital requirements upward for everyone else. But, they can't corner the market forever, there are too many competing interests. AMD and Intel keep making new GPUs and APUs. The memory makers can't just se…
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
They trained their models on everyone's data on the internet, and certainly violated many website terms of service.
that option is still available to everyone to be clear, I'm not saying what they did in scraping to learn was ethical. It wasn't. But I just don't see it as pulling the ladder. The ladder is still there.
I hope they get nationalized and either the models are open-sourced or the profits are owned by the public.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "YOLO" is not a reasonable answer here. Yes it is. (1) Ordinary people were able to do these things pre AI-- with some effort into study for sure. (2) The cat is already out of the bag, open models can already help with these tasks. I know freedom is frightening, but it always has been. It's important to avoid falling into the trap of assuming that everything that existed when you gained awareness was safe and norm…
Kindly drop the condescension. It is, in fact, possible for the world to get more dangerous over time . It is important to avoid falling into the trap of assuming that's inevitable. > Ordinary people were able to do these things pre AI-- with some effort into study for sure. Yes, and the amount of study and knowledge required had a tendency to filter out people with the inclination to do such things. The Venn diagram…
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#227It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…
It's becoming extremely important to support open-source AI, especially legally. Anthropic is willing to go totalitarian this quickly; imagine how much worse they'd be willing to do with government-granted monopolies that ban open-source competition (like they've repeatedly pursued). It's a little shocking and gruesome how quickly they're willing to tip their hand. They want to replace all software engineering with t…
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we agree? What moat? You answered yourself: "capital intensive" But, history says the supercomputer of today will fit in your pocket in a few years. They've bought up all the RAM and GPUs, which pushes the capital requirements upward for everyone else. But, they can't corner the market forever, there are too many competing interests. AMD and Intel keep making new GPUs and APUs. The memory makers can't just se…
> But, history says the supercomputer of today will fit in your pocket in a few years. I don't think this will be true in the same time span anymore. Each miniaturization is costing more and more money. Perhaps they'll come up with exotic fundamental improvements, but I don't think the rate of improvement of compute/watt will match the previous decades.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "YOLO" is not a reasonable answer here. Yes it is. (1) Ordinary people were able to do these things pre AI-- with some effort into study for sure. (2) The cat is already out of the bag, open models can already help with these tasks. I know freedom is frightening, but it always has been. It's important to avoid falling into the trap of assuming that everything that existed when you gained awareness was safe and norm…
Kindly drop the condescension. It is, in fact, possible for the world to get more dangerous over time . It is important to avoid falling into the trap of assuming that's inevitable. > Ordinary people were able to do these things pre AI-- with some effort into study for sure. Yes, and the amount of study and knowledge required had a tendency to filter out people with the inclination to do such things. The Venn diagram…
Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know
#230It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…
It's becoming extremely important to support open-source AI, especially legally. Anthropic is willing to go totalitarian this quickly; imagine how much worse they'd be willing to do with government-granted monopolies that ban open-source competition (like they've repeatedly pursued). It's a little shocking and gruesome how quickly they're willing to tip their hand. They want to replace all software engineering with t…
There is no magic compression. There is no magic post training. Your phone or laptop will never do what you think its going to be able to.
There are limits to what consumer hardware will ever be able to run, in its current form. Open source isn't going to save us if they gatekeep access to hardware, which idk if you've been paying attention. They dont plan on making consumer grade hardware more powerful, they want to rent that power to you.
Technological serfdom is coming if they get their way.