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Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by wahnfrieden »

kudokatz wrote: post #140
volkl48 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't see any realistic way that the ergonomics would be better than your haphazard hotel room setup. Reality is that the device still has weight on your head and neck and is still kind of tiring to wear for long periods of time. It's still 1.5lbs hanging off the front of your face and over hours that's still straining. Lying down or in a recliner or something where you're not really having to support the device yo…

> I can't see any realistic way that the ergonomics would be better than your haphazard hotel room setup Looking down onto your lap sucks over time. Resting your head (pillow or other head support) while wearing AVP vs. holding it up is the key to using AVP for better ergonomics compared to using just the laptop.

I'm thinking of trying to make a DIY easy rig for holding it up from a backpack mount above my head like this: https://youtu.be/o_guGeVboRg?t=75 (but with lighter weight parts because it's not as heavy as a serious camera)

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by simonerlic »

sofixa wrote: post #100
dsernst wrote: post #75

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I tried on the Xreal for 3 minutes when I met someone with them at a party. They were cool but noticeably a lot less bright. Similarly I tried the original HoloLens, many many years ago (2016?), with the similar waveguide technology. It was outside, at night, so relatively easy to see, albeit with jarringly tight field of view. Without a doubt I'm excited about lightweight AR glasses that I can wear in public. My non…

> Without a doubt I'm excited about lightweight AR glasses that I can wear in public. My non-expert opinion is we're still a few years away. Not the same type of AR, but the Even G2 look very promising. Can't use them as an external screen, they're more of an assistant with notes, live translate, app ecosystem, etc. I imagine they might be useful as a moving teleprompter.

I own a pair of the Even G2s (with a prescription) plus the R1 ring - they started out a bit limited, but they recently added an app store for developers to create HUD applications for which has been fun.

They get a B+ as daily glasses, but if more than one of the "killer features" (e.g. teleprompter, conversate, live translate) really gets your attention they are worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by HDBaseT »

wolvoleo wrote: post #97
bijowo1676 wrote: post #9

unless Apple allows adult content applications on Vision Pro its future is doomed. There are only two first-adopters for any new technology: military and adult industry. Without these you wont get any traction

This is true. I use my quest 3 for adult content all the time and it honestly adds a lot. It's the one thing where immersion really adds value. It's like you're there yourself, especially if you have a toy that can synchronise to the content. The prudishness is really holding back the industry.

Why would I want to be "there yourself"?

You mean sitting in the cuck chair?

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by chatmasta »

dsernst wrote: post #63

I use it every day, approx ~95% of the days since it launched over 2 years ago. Many hours a day. Far and away my biggest use-case is connecting it to my laptop for gigantic (private) movie theater-sized screen. Getting it comfortable was the most important step. The 6-months-old DualKnit band is really great for making it a lot more comfortable. An open face mod (eg $10 Macally on amazon) helps a lot with eye breath…

I see some deeply enthusiastic comments like this whenever it’s mentioned. I wonder how much lack of adoption is simply lack of awareness. Apple needs to find ways to make experimenting with it, and experiencing specific use cases, more approachable. I’m not going to go to the Apple Store to try it — I don’t care enough. Maybe one day I’ll happen to do that, but I’ve got enough social anxiety (which is a low amount!) to not want to ask someone in a busy Apple Store to let me strap the VR goggles to my face for 30 minutes of experimenting with a code editor.

Idk if there’s an easy solution to this — maybe shared setups distributed to WeWork type spaces or something… but I suspect it’s the main barrier to adoption, assuming even just 10% of developers would share the same experience as you when they try it for the first time. (Or maybe there’s also a learning curve where it sucks on first experience, and your body gets used to it only after some prolonged usage?)

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by ggm »

Reading these responses it's clear the biomechanics works for some, but also clearly doesn't work for others. How much this could be compensated for by physio or gym isn't clear, but it says to me that that the system may simply never suit some people who have higher sensitivity to the weight and momentum.

In the same sense, your dependency on corrective lenses and the nature of the problem also stand out. Some people feel fine, Some people feel fine with script matching inserts, some people can't handle internal reflections and the focus effects of a "pseudo horizon" on your focus region.

TL;DR Some people.

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by wolvoleo »

HDBaseT wrote: post #163
wolvoleo wrote: post #97

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This is true. I use my quest 3 for adult content all the time and it honestly adds a lot. It's the one thing where immersion really adds value. It's like you're there yourself, especially if you have a toy that can synchronise to the content. The prudishness is really holding back the industry.

Why would I want to be "there yourself"? You mean sitting in the cuck chair?

No. The videos are usually made from the perspective of the male actor. Similar to "POV" videos in 2D porn. So basically you'd see the female talent on top of "you".

Cuck style content is of course available too. But not very common.

The content is usually VR180 meaning it's 180 degrees field of view (you can look around a bit but not behind you) and stereoscopic so you can see depth.

There's many live streamers in this mode of vision too.

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by FumblingBear »

I still use mine pretty consistently for some specific use cases. Video editing in DaVinci Resolve using my MacBook Pro w/ Mac Virtual Display helps a ton with workflows where I need the extra space, and is definitely what I find the most helpful for it. I've also used it some for music production with Logic Pro, and it can be somewhat helpful, as long as I'm not live tracking instruments. Pretty much anything that benefits from more screen real estate is great on it.

Also, media consumption in general on it is unparalleled. I watched Lawrence of Arabia a few weeks ago in the Super Panavision 70 native resolution and was in awe of how much a difference it made for my appreciation of the film.

It's not a product for everyone, but I've not used anything quite like it. One of my favorite memories of it was getting my father to send me some of his favorite photographs from his travels (he's a professional photographer with a great camera setup) and making an album of spacial and panoramic photos for him and some other family members to relive. My grandma literally cried because she can't travel anymore so being able to see the world as if she was there was super meaningful :)

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by al_borland »

I got bored with mine after a week and returned it. I couldn’t even muster up the energy to actually use it on the final weekend I had it.

The window management was buggy. I didn’t see a point to the virtual displays on the Mac. Maybe it was me, but some elements were tack sharp while others felt blurry, which messed with me a lot. The battery didn’t last long enough to feel like I could be cordless, but also got in the way while plugged in. Overall the whole experience felt really finicky.

Some of the immersive content was cool, but the cuts in the video were really jarring. I felt like they should have been done in a single shot.

Movies were… ok… I watched Avatar for the first time, and in 3D. It was fine. Not enough for me to sit down for 3 hours to watch the 2nd one before returning it.

I thought the dinosaur demo was the most impressive, but it was rather short and I didn’t know where to go for more stuff like that. I had the new one, so that demo was already old by the time I tried it, and still the more impressive part of what I tried.

I found some immersive 360 travel videos on YouTube, which were cool, but limited.

I wanted to like it, but the discomfort wasn’t worth what it gave me.

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by al_borland »

Caracas288 wrote: post #54
wvenable wrote: post #45

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Since it's tethered anyway for the battery, I think Apple made a mistake just not building it as a (smart) monitor tethered to a separate PC. Imagine if the vision pro could just be plugged into a small compute module with a battery or just plugged directly into a Macbook. It would be lighter, cheaper, and more flexible. I think a lot more people would have been interested in it.

Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. It would be so cool to be able to plug in arbitrary input devices too, like a dvd player, but its understandable that others don’t feel this way, and it would totally not be an apple product if it did this. One of their main imposed constraints was clearly to make the battery pocketable, which sadly precludes a lot of things which would have made it a b…

Considering the short battery life, I’d prefer they ditch the battery and just tether the headset completely. Maybe have a small internal battery just to facilitate a 5 minute change of input.

Re: Ask HN: Are you still using a Vision Pro?

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Post by al_borland »

dehugger wrote: post #35
system2 wrote: post #32

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If you are not going to pick it up from the shelf, why wouldn't you sell it before it loses even more value as tech evolves?

most gen1 apple products are a small retirement investment if you keep it in working condition for long enough

This is gambling on a 50 year timeline.
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