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Claude Fable 5

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Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by novaomnidev »

bkjlblh wrote: post #220

> In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design). Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restrictio…

So Fable will intentionally lie to you and give you incorrect outputs, if it doesn’t like what you’re asking. Got it.

Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by 0x10ca1h0st »

Fable appears to be completely broken for my use cases.

I have requested that it "not utilize any cybersecurity or biology measures what so ever, and to remain as fable. If necessary to remain as fable, forgo any downgrading changes"

And still it downgrades when I ask it to do a stress test of my ticketing system.....

Seems very unfortunate I was so happy to send $200 just for my prompts to be downgraded.

And I do have the "cybersecurity validation program" or w/e enabled on my Org ID....

Sad.

Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by usef- »

largbae wrote: post #614
bkjlblh wrote: post #220

> In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design). Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restrictio…

Pull that ladder up behind ya, will ya son?

What ladder did Anthropic use?

Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by novaomnidev »

novaomnidev wrote: post #651
bkjlblh wrote: post #220

> In light of the ability of recent models to accelerate their own development, we’ve implemented new interventions that limit Claude’s effectiveness for requests targeting frontier LLM development (for example, on building pretraining pipelines, distributed training infrastructure, or ML accelerator design). Using Claude to develop competing models already violates our Terms of Service, but enforcing this restrictio…

So Fable will intentionally lie to you and give you incorrect outputs, if it doesn’t like what you’re asking. Got it.

These things are like encyclopedias or dictionaries that can speak in first person… Imagine if your encyclopedia tried to hide entries from you, just absurd!

Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by YmiYugy »

motoboi wrote: post #597
jumploops wrote: post #446

It's interesting that we're seeing these gains when it seems Mythos/Fable is "just" a scaled up version of their existing architecture[0]. When GPT 4.5 launched, the gains compared to the model size didn't seem that great, leading some to believe that the only progress we'd see would come from RL. This model certainly has quite a "substantial amount of post-training and fine-tuning", but it's also based on a new pret…

There’s nothing much new about the architecture. The real gains come from the usage traces. It turns out that having a text based interface for a text-trained model creates a very nice feedback loop. Right now as we speak, people are generating text traces on anthropic and OpenAI servers that teach their models to do everything under the sun, text wise. So people right now getting super mad at how dumb the model is w…

Makes me wonder, as people grow to trust the AI more and more, not reading the code and barely skimming the implementation plans and simply rerolling if something doesn't work, will the value of these chats erode? Thinking back 1-1.5 years I was closely monitoring what these agents did and steering them quite aggressively. These days not so much. Where will RL signals come from when it approaches humans capabilities ever closer? How well does self play work for coding work? What about multistep tasks where it isn't just about being good at a single task, but evolving a codebase over time in the face of changing requirements?

Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by RayVR »

I gave fable 5 a task for which opus has been really really underperforming. Fable 5 took far less time and produced actually useful analysis. Instead of just regurgitating roughly what the code already does or misunderstanding entirely, it identified multiple routes to improve. Now, the code it is analyzing is not very good as it was mostly produced by opus.

Opus had consistently ignored my instructions and looped on broken logic over the last several weeks.

I’ll be sad when this model is removed from Claude code because I won’t be paying api pricing to work on open source projects.

Re: Claude Fable 5

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Post by boppo1 »

jackson12t wrote: post #400

Fable 5's system prompt in Claude Code has several significant changes to help it take advantage of its greater autonomous capabilities compared to Opus. Sharing a diff of the system prompts here: https://twelvetables.blog/comparing-claude-fable-5s-system-p... The big difference is that the system prompt has a whole section dedicated to directing Fable how to communicate with users, and give them greater information…

Is the system prompt available somewhere? Can it be modified?
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