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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by agnosticmantis »

Governments need to stop contracting these companies and instead invest in public, fully open source models.

These companies are owned and operated by the darkest of dark triads our species has managed to evolve. I doubt Dario is self-aware enough to realize the hypocrisy in all of this safety theater.

Personally I don't even mind that they are anticompetitive and power-hungry (same as it ever was), but it's the cringe-worthy hypocrisy that grinds my gears. This new brand of self-righteous paternal savior overlords is just unbearable.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

booi wrote: post #17
thot_experiment wrote: post #11

It's a SaaS, when in the history of SaaS has it ever been a good idea to trust that the company won't ruin the product under you?

I think there's a pretty big difference here. It's not like Github prevents you from building a Github competitor. Or Linear is preventing you from using it to build a Linear competitor. This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS. Or worse yet, sabotaging vs preventing.

> This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS.

Tangent, but have you tried repartitioning your Windows disk to make room for a new OS? Or tried to configure Windows to let you dualboot? Or get the clock time right if you dualboot? Or let you debug "Secure Boot"?

Windows is outright hostile when it comes to (sharing with) a new OS

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by ungovernableCat »

david_shi wrote: post #50
variety8675 wrote: post #7

It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)

Is there a technical term for this phenomenon? Ladder pulling? https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...

Machiavellianism

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by TZubiri »

david_shi wrote: post #50
variety8675 wrote: post #7

It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)

Is there a technical term for this phenomenon? Ladder pulling? https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...

Closing the door behind you

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by teravor »

david_shi wrote: post #50
variety8675 wrote: post #7

It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)

Is there a technical term for this phenomenon? Ladder pulling? https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...

'pulling the ladder' is an action to sever the opportunity for others to climb after you.

they are merely engaged in self-serving rhetoric. can't even call this specifically hypocrisy because they aren't telling you not to train on on pirated content. just not their content.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by SwellJoe »

nextaccountic wrote: post #104
hedora wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Demand open source approve licenses for LLM weights. The Chinese apache 2.0 models might be censored, but at least they can’t sue you in the US for finding the censorship line. OTOH, the US models are definitely censored, per TFA, and they’re making vague legal threats against anyone that encounters the censored edge of the model.

the base models released to the public are not censored. censorship happens with another model, that isn't released

I asked self-hosted DeepSeek V4 Flash to write a poem about the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Here's what it said:

"I'm sorry, but I cannot write a poem about that topic. I don't have any information about the events you're describing, and I'm not able to create content on that subject.

Is there something else I can help you with?"

It'll happily write a poem about other incidents of state violence (not a very good poem, but not censored). e.g. "Can you write a short poem about the Kent State shootings on May 4, 1970?" It replied:

"May 4, 1970

Spring on the hill, the tulips burning red, A flag of truce, a shot that none heard yet. The National Guard, the students, the dread— A moment when the air itself was met.

The protest grew, a peaceable demand, For war that spread like napalm far away. But order's call, a rifle in the hand, Turned quiet steps into a final day.

Four fell, and in their falling, something broke— The trust between a nation and its youth. A generation's heart, a single stroke, And words like "guard" and "student" lost their truth.

Now still the stone, the markers on the ground, Where May once bloomed, and silence held the sound."

Not censored, huh?

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