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If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by wincy »

semiquaver wrote: post #18
booi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a pretty big difference here. It's not like Github prevents you from building a Github competitor. Or Linear is preventing you from using it to build a Linear competitor. This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS. Or worse yet, sabotaging vs preventing.

A surprising number of companies do include “you may not use the service we provide you to compete with us” in their terms of service. (edit) After a quick search the best example is Atlassian. It would (apparently, IANAL) break terms to plan a JIRA competitor using JIRA. > Customer must not (and must not permit anyone else to): [...] (d) use the Products to develop a similar or competing product or service https://w…

I remember working for a company that did a lot of business in logistics. We were strictly prohibited from using any Amazon Web Services because several of our very high profile customers didn’t want anything on AWS. The higher ups were thoroughly convinced Amazon would copy it (and I mean, they came out with a product that competed with us, so they weren’t wrong!)

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by hedora »

SwellJoe wrote: post #77

The moat looks deep today but it's going to become more shallow every year. Training a new model from scratch takes serious resources. Post-training/fine-tuning an existing model, dramatically less. The knowledge for the process was esoteric two years ago, now you can ask a current model (one of several) to walk you through it, while building the tools to do it as you go. Several of my recent weekend projects have be…

What moat? There are multiple companies providing pareto-optimal frontier models, and it takes O(10) people to build one of these things.

The rest is capital intensive, and the price will approach the cost of production over time.

Thinking this is a profitable endeavor is equivalent to claiming coal plants have good margins because boilers are expensive.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

numpad0 wrote: post #5

I don't understand how businesses could trust cloud LLMs going forward with this ongoing "safety" paranoia. Building dependence on them doesn't feel like a sane strategic decision for users.

Because this effectively hinders 0% of people. I understand why people don't like it but day to day this is nothing. If you're using it for coding, it won't stop you. The pearl clenching here and over reacting is predictable and sad. If you are working for a large organization and you were going through the vendor procurement process, questions like Can this produce pornography? Can this tell my employees how to break the law? are normal and anyone wiht half a brain knows that this is the case. Before people jump on that, I understand people have access to the internet. Your question "how businesses could trust cloud LLMs going forward" is absurd and you know it. There is an extremely small set of edge cases that effect 0% of people day to day. You can trust them just fine.

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Post by delichon »

jkxyz wrote: post #61

"To effectively contain a civilization’s development and disarm it across such a long span of time, there is only one way: kill its science." - Cixin Liu, The Three-Body Problem This immediately made me think of the Sophons silently manipulating the sensors of particle accelerators to prevent humanity from developing advanced knowledge of particle physics.

The level of oppression necessary to get software geeks to stop making progress on AI is similar to that necessary to get Ukrainian geeks to stop making progress on drones.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by cyanydeez »

torben-friis wrote: post #37

They have a silent nerfing system for their models and say so openly. The obvious question is how much it is being used already. Competitor companies being nerfed? Non Americans getting worse code? Punishing and rewarding users to maximize engagement, like online games do affecting victories through matchmaking?

$$$$$$: no nerf $$$$: a little nerf $$$: more nerf $$: are you poor? $: be permanent underclass

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by greatgib »

Imagine if code editors were created by greedy **** behaving as Anthropic, and it would not have been allowed to create other code editors using an existing code editor. Or even better, you couldn't use Bash, zsh, ... to create another cli prompt input tool like Claude Code...
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