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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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"To effectively contain a civilization’s development and disarm it across such a long span of time, there is only one way: kill its science." - Cixin Liu, The Three-Body Problem

This immediately made me think of the Sophons silently manipulating the sensors of particle accelerators to prevent humanity from developing advanced knowledge of particle physics.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a pretty big difference here. It's not like Github prevents you from building a Github competitor. Or Linear is preventing you from using it to build a Linear competitor. This is more akin to Windows somehow preventing you from building a new OS. Or worse yet, sabotaging vs preventing.

A surprising number of companies do include “you may not use the service we provide you to compete with us” in their terms of service. (edit) After a quick search the best example is Atlassian. It would (apparently, IANAL) break terms to plan a JIRA competitor using JIRA. > Customer must not (and must not permit anyone else to): [...] (d) use the Products to develop a similar or competing product or service https://w…

Perhaps provide an example or two?

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)

Is there a technical term for this phenomenon? Ladder pulling? https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...

"Capitalism"

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Can't you just switch the toggle that says "switch models when a message is flagged"? I turned mine off in case anything does get flagged I will know.. For now, I'm really not happy about this limited rollout and then turning off. That's probably the most egregious thing I think Anthropic has done recently

This is a separate mechanism. The user is not notified about the flagging and rather than redirecting to a weaker model, the response is intentionally sabotaged.

It's user-hostile to the point of parody.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who works in bioinformatics, and, as such, does a great deal of machine learning, this makes Fable unusable for me as well.

Fable would be unusable for you in a more literal way, since it just directly refuses to answer any query even remotely related to biology

I’m very aware of this as well.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)

Is there a technical term for this phenomenon? Ladder pulling? https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...

I believe the term is "hypocrisy."

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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post #16

Disillusioned CEOs convincing themselves they have the mandate and right to define morality for everyone else. They get to decide what is right, wrong, permissible, or dangerous from the top, in the name of "safety". This is corporate nannying.

It's dangerous when personal moral and religious beliefs of company leadership leaks into the product itself and get force fed upon customers.

careful there cowboy, we are in the golden age of ai, regulation is still catching up.

You don't want to sell guns to people without some sort of background check. The amount of exploits found in the last few months have been pretty scary already.

This is just one more layer of caution, because it reveals how little we know how these llms work. They know how to make them, but they seem to be unable to properly restrain them.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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post #23

I'm a big fan of Anthropic. Just check my post history. I've been accused of working there. But this is complete bullshit and they need to get real. Silent sandbagging is not acceptable, especially given they've shown with this release their safety filters have HUGE amounts of false positives.

It's increasingly obvious that the only safeguard we got is open models and semi open ones like from China. Crazy world

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A surprising number of companies do include “you may not use the service we provide you to compete with us” in their terms of service. (edit) After a quick search the best example is Atlassian. It would (apparently, IANAL) break terms to plan a JIRA competitor using JIRA. > Customer must not (and must not permit anyone else to): [...] (d) use the Products to develop a similar or competing product or service https://w…

Perhaps provide an example or two?

Was the parent comment edited, because it does have a couple of examples in it
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