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Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by vunderba »

coldtea wrote: post #106
eithed wrote: post #38

What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. Is the code documented and tested? Is it understandable and extendable? Is it secure? What language, framework, database was used? Author mentions judgement and taste - well, is the code tasteful? Will the model rearchitecture the entire thing if I ask it to add new functionality, spending anot…

> What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. I clicked one of his examples intrigued "a snake game where the snake is self-aware and crazy things happen;". Played for 1-2 minutes, and it's the classic 1980s snake game. Am I missing something? What is "self-aware" about it? Some funny messages at the bottom of the screen? And what are th…

I had the exact same thought. To me, it feels like they just took the fairly common “sentient video game character” trope and bolted it onto a very conventional snake game.

I will say, the act of eating creates a "bulge distortion" that flows down the length of the snake is a nice touch though.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by ASalazarMX »

hypfer wrote: post #52
wongarsu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my mental model, "my Outlook" is the outlook instance running on my computer, on my data. My outlook crashed today. Yours might not have crashed. Similarly, my Jira contains tickets about my work, your Jira does not contain those same tickets. That might be technically the same instance on the same SaaS server, but the server I'm routed to accessing my data with my credentials turns it into "my Jira". My Jira is s…

Hmm, good point. "My outlook" might actually be correct. Depending on if it is a webapp or the real one running on your device that is. Similiar to "My game just crashed". Jira otoh is not yours, because it's in the cloud. It might be "my internet connection", "my browser" or "my account" that is having trouble. ___ Hm. "My train got delayed" is interesting in this context. I don't find that offensive. But that also…

The "my train" convention is an interesting argument. It's not actually yours, you're buying a train-as-a-service single-use license, and there are tiers to that too.

I guess the main difference is that TAAS has many different trains where the experience varies wildly, so it helps to be specific on which train you're licensing; but LLMs are the same product for everyone, and you can't stay with say, ChatGPT 1.0, you get the same choices as everyone else.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by Kiro »

neaden wrote: post #61

Man, that poem it made is terrible. Like just incredibly bad. Sure it's neat that software can make an incredibly bad poem but there is enough bad poetry in the world that we don't need it.

How good can a rhyming poem about a haircut where every word starts with S be?

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by matheusmoreira »

thepasch wrote: post #33

What it feels like to work with Fable: > Switched to Opus 4.8: Fable 5 has safety measures that flag messages on most cybersecurity or biology topics. They may flag safe, normal content as well. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capability in other areas sooner, and we're working to refine them. Send feedback or learn more.

Same experience here. The parts of my project that actually could have benefited from Fable's code review got this instead.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by toss1 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #28
matneyx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Claude's defense (and I cannot believe I'm defending it), I know no single dev who could create what it did (Concord), from a 19-page design document, in 9.5 working hours. We're gonna go back to the days where our bosses ask why we're just sitting around, but instead of saying "compiling," we'll just say, "waiting for Claude."

This. I get told things like "you can't build all that on your own?" I've had Claude poop out full feature web apps in under 30 minutes, to a spec. Was it perfect? No, but sometimes even in a simple setup phase you can burn 15 minutes to some obscure setup step that's failing. I cannot just code nonstop at 900WPM or whatever ridiculous speed, and poop out an entire full feature web app, with maybe a few bugs here or…

>>If you can, come show me, I'll gladly have you race against my Claude prompting capabilities.

Sounds like we've nearly reached in coding the point where Paul Bunyan [0] has his epic competition with the chainsaw... and loses by 1/4" and history forever changes...

[0]https://www.britannica.com/topic/Paul-Bunyan

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by oarsinsync »

Our_Benefactors wrote: post #110
mervz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We see the same thing when new laptops are announced and every employee all of a sudden needs to upgrade, despite the fact that 90% of people would be able to make do with a Macbook Neo.

> despite the fact that 90% of people would be able to make do with a Macbook Neo. Myth. Total myth! I recently had to beg for more RAM after continually hitting swap space which causes tools like dictation to stop working, failure to load certain websites without rebooting, and so on. Devs do in fact need powerful machines and the ~$500-1000 an employer saves upfront in machine costs is dwarfed by productivity losse…

Surely devs could just uninstall Slack, and get the same combined RAM & productivity boost?

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by jstummbillig »

selfawareMammal wrote: post #30

What are people working on that they see such a substantial difference between Mythos and Opus? I'd say I'm working with advanced stuff and more than often Deepseek is even more than enough. Why is everybody a genius in here?

I am sure you would not find it hard to exhaust any model, if you kept upping your ask enough times.

On the margins, suppose the prompt is literally: "Build a feature complete, high polish Facebook clone". Facebook is complex but likely not super complicated tech, and still I would assume that (after having burned through a substantial amount of tokens) you would find substantial enough differences in the outcomes between different models on that prompt on various fronts.

The above ask is obviously not useful, but what's preventing you from taking on bigger chunks until you approach the limit? At some point you would hit a boundary, where the diff will be obvious.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #76
cyanydeez wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

now for the best question: whats your ROI here?

Humans are very expensive, so the equation almost always falls against them. It's not just salary, but also safety/labor regulation, legal risk, vacations, sick time, personal conflicts, HR, benefits. Even when automation is more expensive on paper, it's generally still cheaper

Good to know that LLMs will be removing all regulatory and legal risks, as well as creating a consumer economy that no longer employs or pays consumers.

I can't help thinking there might be some kind of strategic issue here.

Perhaps someone should ask Mythos about it.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by starshadowx2 »

coldtea wrote: post #106
eithed wrote: post #38

What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. Is the code documented and tested? Is it understandable and extendable? Is it secure? What language, framework, database was used? Author mentions judgement and taste - well, is the code tasteful? Will the model rearchitecture the entire thing if I ask it to add new functionality, spending anot…

> What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. I clicked one of his examples intrigued "a snake game where the snake is self-aware and crazy things happen;". Played for 1-2 minutes, and it's the classic 1980s snake game. Am I missing something? What is "self-aware" about it? Some funny messages at the bottom of the screen? And what are th…

It sounds like you either didn't play enough or you are missing the new mechanics that get added over time. There's definitely more to it than just regular snake.
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