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FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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If a messaging app ever gets the attention of government regulators, it must succumb to this verification. I don't know any way to avoid this.

How would they enforce that on a decentralized communication platform?

outlawing the platform

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It’s a EU wide requirement

I dunno. I can go to Tesco in Ireland and the UK (fine, UK is not EU no more, but still Europe) and get a sim without ID.

Nordics, Baltics and a couple of other countries are the places this still works. The rest of Europe is locked down.

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> they're not "laws" just "rules" that the government will come after you if you break If you break a rule you get fined. If you break a law you can go to jail. (Congress can delegate regulation around crimes to an agency, but the crime generally has to be substantially described by statute.)

I'd like to see someone explain why a .50 BMG bolt action upper receiver (AR-15 type) is a firearm but a .556 bolt action upper receiver (AR-15 type) is not. It's literally the same damn thing but with a different sized cartridge. Nothing in the statute would allow this, yet executive 'delegation' mumbo-jumbo and magically one is basically unregulated and the other is felonies out the ass if you start commercially se…

> I'd like to see someone explain why a .50 BMG bolt action upper receiver (AR-15 type) is a firearm but a .556 bolt action upper receiver (AR-15 type) is not

Have you petitioned to have the rule revisited? I’d imagine this is the right political climate in which to do it.

We have an overreaching regulatory state. I agree with you on that. But trying to ram everything through the Congress just means we get a President who is a king, because the complexity of administering a large, modern economy is simply not one that can be centrally deliberated in the way legislative bodies work.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Isn’t this already a requirement? Can you really buy a burner phone/sim without providing identifying information?

Back in the late 2000s-early 2010s you could grab some Verizon bubble pack flip phones and just dial an activation string on the handset itself and it'd set up a new phone number for you and you'd just have to go add airtime with a prepaid card or credit card without having to provide anything . Some of the LTE tablets even powered up and put you into a walled garden with data (heh, DNS tunneling worked out of it) to…

They'll just add regulation that requires KYC for roaming agreements.

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Good luck with this. You can't make the desk clerk in a ghetto cell phone store care. I say this speaking as someone who has a T-Mobile account under the name George Washington with a Valley Forge, Pennsylvania address.

They'll just push it to activation time and require you to upload ID.

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Disjoint issues really. Phone scams mostly rely on the shoddy/lack of verification of caller id info as calls transit the network where it's not verified so they are unblockable (because they just use a different fake number every time). They're actually calling from one or a pool of numbers but you can't block and report them on the receiving end because the number your phone thinks it's blocking isn't theirs. This…

Hardly disjoint. Most of the scams come from foreign networks.

It is actually because you can't do anything with the source phone number being tied to an identity if the scammers are freely able to spoof the number that the end networks and users see. Even if every network in the world adopted this it wouldn't matter if caller id isn't fixed so that you can actually see the source number to go ask who it is!

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This is probably part of the larger scope of the system wanting to require ID to even boot a computer let alone connect to the internet.

More than that, a ban on all general purpose computing. You can only use specific applications downloaded from walled gardens. You cannot write and execute arbitrary code. If you are an engineer, all code must be generated via LLM and it passes through some verification through a centralized security and compliance authority on the way to you. You must be fully licensed. This will be, the end of malware.

There are zero days in every piece of software, but malware is already mostly a state-actor-only thing.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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I probably said it dozens of times in here, phone numbers are the link between your IRL identity and digital one, that’s why a lot of services still require a phone number to “prevent spam”, yeah right, it’s just to get to you if ever needed.

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You want to have to vote for every single decision maker in the government?

Being able to is different from being obligated.

I mean I feel obligated. I'd feel bad if I skipped voting in an election where I found out after the fact that one of the candidates kicked puppies.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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In Russia you need an ID to buy a phone number, and almost every site or app requires it to sign up. As a nice bonus, you or any scammer can buy personal data on everyone for cheap in Telegram bots, because everytime there is a PII leak, these bots update their vast databases.
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