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What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by Qhemlomo »

cyanydeez wrote: post #34
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23

Anecdote: I fed Fable some models I’ve been hand verifying (basically, I sketch out a scenario for Opus to model, it builds it, I ask it to show me the math, I correct it, we iterate like this, then I double check its code to make sure the math matches the model logic). Fable found almost every error I found, and then had some interesting suggestions for additional variables. It also burned through my usage quota lik…

now for the best question: whats your ROI here?

It just got released, it shouldn't matter.

We know this model will be cheaper and faster with time.

And we have not even reached the timespan/timeframe were we have ASIC style models.

OpenAI has to do something which will beat Fable otherwise Anthropic won. China currently overtakes cars, pv, batteries and very soon silicon chip making, it has all the incentive to also take over AI.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by eithed »

jstummbillig wrote: post #56
eithed wrote: post #38

What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. Is the code documented and tested? Is it understandable and extendable? Is it secure? What language, framework, database was used? Author mentions judgement and taste - well, is the code tasteful? Will the model rearchitecture the entire thing if I ask it to add new functionality, spending anot…

Less fascinating when you consider that this is a non-coders perspective.

Fair enough, but enterpreunership should, I guess, ask questions if given Next Big Thing has substance behind it or is it just snake oil.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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eithed wrote: post #38

What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. Is the code documented and tested? Is it understandable and extendable? Is it secure? What language, framework, database was used? Author mentions judgement and taste - well, is the code tasteful? Will the model rearchitecture the entire thing if I ask it to add new functionality, spending anot…

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Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by camillomiller »

Qhemlomo wrote: post #71
cyanydeez wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

now for the best question: whats your ROI here?

It just got released, it shouldn't matter. We know this model will be cheaper and faster with time. And we have not even reached the timespan/timeframe were we have ASIC style models. OpenAI has to do something which will beat Fable otherwise Anthropic won. China currently overtakes cars, pv, batteries and very soon silicon chip making, it has all the incentive to also take over AI.

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Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by jenniferhooley »

selfawareMammal wrote: post #30

What are people working on that they see such a substantial difference between Mythos and Opus? I'd say I'm working with advanced stuff and more than often Deepseek is even more than enough. Why is everybody a genius in here?

Just depends what you are working on. If you are trying to make a video game that's at a level of a decent indie game (think Hades/Baazar/etc), making UI elements/VFX/complex shaders/etc that are organic/interactive/animated that don't feel like a little dogshit vibeslop web-game, then none of the models are even close to good enough to get it done easily. Huge percentage of problems in top 3% games is really hard for any of the models to do with simple prompting.

Personally I don't really care, because I like coding and learning myself and DeepSeek Flash is all I really care about. But it's really easy to have a ton of benchmarks where the top models can't get anywhere close - and I like to test them on these problems to see how good they are getting.

Fable 5 is def a little better than 4.8 btw.

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by Ferret7446 »

cyanydeez wrote: post #34
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23

Anecdote: I fed Fable some models I’ve been hand verifying (basically, I sketch out a scenario for Opus to model, it builds it, I ask it to show me the math, I correct it, we iterate like this, then I double check its code to make sure the math matches the model logic). Fable found almost every error I found, and then had some interesting suggestions for additional variables. It also burned through my usage quota lik…

now for the best question: whats your ROI here?

Humans are very expensive, so the equation almost always falls against them.

It's not just salary, but also safety/labor regulation, legal risk, vacations, sick time, personal conflicts, HR, benefits.

Even when automation is more expensive on paper, it's generally still cheaper

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by Qhemlomo »

camillomiller wrote: post #74
Qhemlomo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just got released, it shouldn't matter. We know this model will be cheaper and faster with time. And we have not even reached the timespan/timeframe were we have ASIC style models. OpenAI has to do something which will beat Fable otherwise Anthropic won. China currently overtakes cars, pv, batteries and very soon silicon chip making, it has all the incentive to also take over AI.

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I'm happy to discuss arguments if you want to add any?

Re: What it feels like to work with Mythos

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Post by grafporno »

eithed wrote: post #38

What I find fascinating that there is so little substance in this article about the quality of produced code and the medium. Is the code documented and tested? Is it understandable and extendable? Is it secure? What language, framework, database was used? Author mentions judgement and taste - well, is the code tasteful? Will the model rearchitecture the entire thing if I ask it to add new functionality, spending anot…

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