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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by fundatus »

GeekyBear wrote: post #344
speedgoose wrote: post #257

I find it interesting that Apple prefers to fall behind in Europe rather than opening their platform a tiny bit. It gives us European some opportunities. I have a side project at work that was heavily threatened by Siri’s new features. Now I feel more relaxed as Siri isn’t coming there anytime soon. But overall I doubt we will replace Apple.

> rather than opening their platform a tiny bit Handing full access to the data on a user's device over to a company with the scruples of somebody like Facebook is a privacy nightmare, not "opening their platform a tiny bit".

Well, let that be my concern. Why should I trust Apple more than let's say Proton?

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by wtb04 »

viktorcode wrote: post #375
slekker wrote: post #338

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I value them a lot, happy that the EU didnt bend down to Apple. If it werent for the EU, the companies would get away with all sorts of shit. Is as if people forget companies are evil by nature and will fuck you any chance they get.

I'm curios what kind of shit specifically DMCA protects you from?

I think you mean DMA, not DMCA. DMCA mostly protects copyright holders. DMA is about protecting users and competitors from platform lock-in. Bending for Apple would just make that lock-in harder to challenge.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by [deleted] »

viktorcode wrote: post #375
slekker wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I value them a lot, happy that the EU didnt bend down to Apple. If it werent for the EU, the companies would get away with all sorts of shit. Is as if people forget companies are evil by nature and will fuck you any chance they get.

I'm curios what kind of shit specifically DMCA protects you from?

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Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by nonethewiser »

xigoi wrote: post #413
nonethewiser wrote: post #326

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I agree it’s a bit sensationalist. Here’s the EU Commission spokesperson’s criticism: >“The decision not to roll out Siri AI in the EU is Apple’s and Apple’s only,” spokesperson Thomas Regnier told reporters in Brussels, saying there was nothing in the Digital Markets Act to stop the company from introducing new products in the EU. >“Apple was simply unable to develop interoperability solutions that meet essential EU…

> the DMA sets certain requirements which determines whether features can ship in the EU They can ship any feature they want, as long as they give users the option to choose alternative implementation of the feature.

Yes exactly, in accordance to the DMA.

"Compliance" isn't a thing without regulation.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by viktorcode »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #390
t-sauer wrote: post #380

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Which court testimony are you talking about? A quick google search suggests that Europe is responsible for roughly 25% of their revenue. Edit: 26% of their net sales comes from Europe for Q1: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2026-q1/FY26_Q1_Consol...

there's a difficulty in evaluating how much goes into Apple revenue because Apple mixes Europe (not just EU) and Middle East. The 7% probably comes from a Daring Fireball article, based on misunderstanding some Apple communications, and which Gruber later had to backtrack https://medium.com/luminasticity/when-smart-people-cant-reas...

Yes, I was coming from Gruber's article, thank you for correcting me!

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by duskwuff »

wtb04 wrote: post #422
viktorcode wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curios what kind of shit specifically DMCA protects you from?

I think you mean DMA, not DMCA. DMCA mostly protects copyright holders. DMA is about protecting users and competitors from platform lock-in. Bending for Apple would just make that lock-in harder to challenge.

DMCA provides some rather important protection for service providers (including small-scale services like web forums, not just ISPs and web hosts) - it makes them not liable for copyright violations by their users, so long as they take down infringing content upon receipt of a DMCA notice.

But I agree, that's probably not what OP meant.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by sandeepkd »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #93
afavour wrote: post #61

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To me that reads as an even greater reason not to delay it. If you knew the restrictions day one you’d be able to engineer the system to accommodate them. Waiting until post launch now means a massive amount of re-engineering. I know it’s not quite as simple as that but I do think it shows Apple are more interested in blaming the EU than reducing the potential issues ahead of time.

> If you knew the restrictions day one you’d be able to engineer the system to accommodate them This slows down deploying the system globally. Particularly if the target is moving, it may make sense to build lightly so one can pivot, and then build in the compliance stuff after you know you have a winning configuration. The EU has its laws. Apple has its strategy. The only thing I fault anyone on is the public bicker…

> This slows down deploying the system globally. Particularly if the target is moving, it may make sense to build lightly so one can pivot, and then build in the compliance stuff after you know you have a winning configuration

This kind of approach is how startups justify everything, however for established companies this would be backward.

I get a feeling that Apple never wanted to do it. They already knew the compliance requirements existed and if they would have wanted to test things then the narrative could have that they are rolling out in other markets first and would roll out with compliance in EU later. Asking for exemption was a bet they tried to play here, they lost and now spinning the narrative.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by shykes »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #319
burnte wrote: post #313

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> It's not as if Apple doesn't have the money to dedicate a team to matching the EU's requirements on a deadline. They just choose not to. Exactly, that's actually why I LIKE this decision so much. I'm not on Apple's side, but I REALLY like the idea that a company just says, "Fine, we'll comply by not even offering this product." It's a perfectly legitimate choice, and it FORCED Apple to evaluate the pros and cons. I…

Yes, exactly! Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services, and whether the regulations are worth it not to have them, or to have watered down versions of them. I say this without judgment - I see it as a legitimate area of consideration. I think the worst is hugely impactful laws for which exceptions are constantly carved out so nobody can truly evaluate whether the law/reg is a good one or n…

> Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services

It's been a while since I left Europe, and I'm rusty on that particular layer of civics. Do EU voters actually have a say in this kind of regulation? Or is it all decided on the executive side which is only accountable to member states and not to individual citizens?

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by xigoi »

m3kw9 wrote: post #243
simjnd wrote: post #126

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Right, wanting operability, alternative default apps, equal access to APIs is "wanting to live in the stone age". POSIX is the stone age model, and Microsoft is the future.

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The DMA has never been about privacy. It’s about fair competition.
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