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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by andix »

lifty wrote: post #396
andix wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such political statements never damage the brand for every citizen, but for some. Tesla is a good example. Elon Musk became political and anti-EU, which resulted in an irreparable damage of the Tesla brand in Europe. Not for everyone, but a big group of people would never again consider buying a Tesla. As a result Tesla lost market share in Europe. Apple seems to be on the same path now.

More like EU became anti-Musk. And Tesla had great sales in the first half of 2026 in the EU.

Lol, no. Tesla might have "great sales", but other manufacturers grow faster.

edit: here are some stats https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Bar

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by viktorcode »

flopbob wrote: post #121

Why is there so much talk about privacy here? The DMA is an antitrust framework,the privacy argument is just the Apple spin of their refusal to comply

You mean DMCA. It is not an antitrust framework. Europe has pretty robust anti-trust framework. DMCA is an attempt to regulate companies that cannot be legally considered monopolies, and that do not run afoul of any pre-existing EU regulation.

Just for that case a new category of business classification was invented: the gatekeepers, and coincidentally almost all of those gatekeepers are American companies. Unlike antitrust regulation and other EU regulation that wan't based on clearly observed harm to the consumers, as otherwise that would have been covered by existing laws. It was solely designed to prevent businesses to have a potential ability to do something anti-consumer.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by lifty »

GeekyBear wrote: post #344
speedgoose wrote: post #257

I find it interesting that Apple prefers to fall behind in Europe rather than opening their platform a tiny bit. It gives us European some opportunities. I have a side project at work that was heavily threatened by Siri’s new features. Now I feel more relaxed as Siri isn’t coming there anytime soon. But overall I doubt we will replace Apple.

> rather than opening their platform a tiny bit Handing full access to the data on a user's device over to a company with the scruples of somebody like Facebook is a privacy nightmare, not "opening their platform a tiny bit".

Yeah, but you get to choose who gets to rip off your data. Joking aside, perhaps there would be some privacy focused alternatives and most importantly for Europeans, they would be hosted in the EU.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by cleansy »

ErneX wrote: post #119

It would be nice if Europe had companies innovating at this level but it’s not happening. If you make a list of tentative companies that would integrate their stuff to the OS like Siri it’s very likely all those are major US companies, so I don’t even know at this point what the EU is trying to defend here. All I know is we are buying the same devices designed by the US but keep increasing the list of features we can…

> so I don’t even know at this point what the EU is trying to defend here.

Says it right there: "Apple was simply unable to develop interoperability solutions that meet essential EU privacy and security standards," Regnier said. "Instead of trying to find a suitable compliance solution, Apple simply made a request to the European Commission to be exempted from their interoperability obligations under the DMA - and this for at least 18 months. That's not an option."

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by vrganj »

happyopossum wrote: post #323
gmueckl wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing infinite money at engineering problems doesn't move deadlines arbitrarily. But Apple's position here is actually really wild: Apple claims to protect user privacy all the time. But they can't offer a product in a major jurisdiction that has actually meaningful privacy laws? Didn't they consider that while designing the product? This is quite the contradiction.

> Apple claims to protect user privacy all the time. But they can't offer a product in a major jurisdiction that has actually meaningful privacy laws? The DMA and the GDPR are laws that at their core make each other more difficult. the stated outcome of the DMA - allowing any vendor/user full access to your device - is not easily supported when solving for privacy.

A popup that's like "do you want to give app XY access to this data?" is really not that hard to build... It's a lazy excuse, nothing more.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by macintux »

overfeed wrote: post #367
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DMA is about competition, not privacy. Apple weren’t requesting a GDPR waiver.

Apple's concern is at the intersection of DMA and privacy. Apple is worried that other parties having the same level of data access that Apple has today would create privacy issues. This is because Apple's current privacy posture is "Trust Apple with your data" rather than "Trust no one with your data - including Apple", but that would be less profitable, but would have prevented the request for an exception because…

> This is because Apple's current privacy posture is "Trust Apple with your data" rather than "Trust no one with your data - including Apple"

I think that's uncharitable. Apple prefers not to have the data either, hence the preference for on-device processing.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by kube-system »

MBCook wrote: post #223
kube-system wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, it sounds like you just haven't dealt with any significant tax or regulatory tasks. There's entire industries of experts who work on these tasks, and they don't just work for people trying to skirt the rules. I've hired people for both tasks and the reason was specifically to comply.

Not privacy, but as an example: NIST, MS, and the security community all recommend against forcing people to change their passwords on fixed intervals. They should only be changed when there is an indication they have been compromised. PCI requirements demand mandatory 30 day rotation intervals on user passwords for users with administrative privileges, IORC. Something like that. They haven’t kept up. So until they c…

And where the complexity comes in is where you need to comply with PCI and NIST 800-63 at the same time.

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by t-sauer »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #79

I understand Apple's position on this one. This is essentially a backdoor into all of your data. It is also a very useful feature. The EU regulators are disallowing guardrails without which this backdoor will be used to strip-mine people's personal data. The privacy implications are not legible to most people. If I was more cynical I would suggest that this is being used as an end-run around encryption, since the enc…

> I understand Apple's position on this one

Well then explain me this: There are absolutely no restriction on MacOS where I can give Claude free access to everything. If you are a Mac and iPhone user that essentially gives it access to the exact same data. Why is the data only protect worthy when accessed on the phone directly?

Re: Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by sublimefire »

nozzlegear wrote: post #74
Jgoauh wrote: post #62

Interesting how the "groundbreaking Private Cloud Compute" cannot rollout due to privacy laws

Have you considered that the EU's privacy laws may simply be onerous and burdensome, and the fact that a web of red tape has caught another fly may not actually reflect on the privacy claims of "groundbreaking Private Cloud Compute"?

Europeans support that by and large. So either agree or have no ability to sell. This idea that companies know better about their users’ needs including privacy and choice is ridiculous. Apple is not a small company which is bullied as well.
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