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Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

lurking_swe wrote: post #35
agnishom wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is actually a notification that your child made it to school safely Thank you for the comment. I did notice that it was a notification, though. It is an useful feature, but I don't think this is a good trade-off. Some Erica's might skip school and do some dumb and unsafe things, but I think this bit of privacy and autonomy is actually necessary for a good life

and i totally respect that point of view. but do realize that every family is different for better or worse, and has a different “culture”. I’m not prescribing how others should run their families or what a good life means. :) For example my kid is still young. I absolutely plan to use FindMy for peace of mind. Not to spy on them daily, but to quickly check where they are if they’re running 30 min or 60 min behind sc…

This a lame cop out, and obviously flawed. There are parents that beat their kids for being gay. There are families that kill their kids for marrying the wrong person. There are families that teach their kids open bigotry. Those people are evil, and I will absolutely prescribe that they shouldn't be doing that.

Putting your kids in a panopticon is abusive. It denies them their autonomy, it cripples their social growth, and there simply is no justifying it with "but it's our culture".

Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by lurking_swe »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #41
lurking_swe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and i totally respect that point of view. but do realize that every family is different for better or worse, and has a different “culture”. I’m not prescribing how others should run their families or what a good life means. :) For example my kid is still young. I absolutely plan to use FindMy for peace of mind. Not to spy on them daily, but to quickly check where they are if they’re running 30 min or 60 min behind sc…

This a lame cop out, and obviously flawed. There are parents that beat their kids for being gay. There are families that kill their kids for marrying the wrong person. There are families that teach their kids open bigotry. Those people are evil, and I will absolutely prescribe that they shouldn't be doing that. Putting your kids in a panopticon is abusive. It denies them their autonomy, it cripples their social growt…

apparently a tight knick family with open / great communication does not exist, and they must be abusive if they like to know where their kids are. LOL.

Yes horrible families exist. the fact that you can’t imagine a family in between those 2 extremes is sad. we’re at an impasse here so let’s just agree to disagree. The world is not black and white like you seem to think it is.

additionally this is already possible today. a parent can attach an airtag to their kids backpack or insert it into the sole of their sneakers, and call it a day. evil people will find ways to be evil. that’s nothing new.

Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

lurking_swe wrote: post #42
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This a lame cop out, and obviously flawed. There are parents that beat their kids for being gay. There are families that kill their kids for marrying the wrong person. There are families that teach their kids open bigotry. Those people are evil, and I will absolutely prescribe that they shouldn't be doing that. Putting your kids in a panopticon is abusive. It denies them their autonomy, it cripples their social growt…

apparently a tight knick family with open / great communication does not exist, and they must be abusive if they like to know where their kids are. LOL. Yes horrible families exist. the fact that you can’t imagine a family in between those 2 extremes is sad. we’re at an impasse here so let’s just agree to disagree. The world is not black and white like you seem to think it is. additionally this is already possible to…

I used extreme examples because I was challenging the assertion that "culture" was an acceptable excuse for immoral behavior, not because I can't imagine mediocre families. The fact that damn near everyone reading it would agree that the examples I used were abhorrent was, in fact, the point: culture does not excuse abuse.

The second paragraph established that I think subjecting someone to constant surveillance is abuse, and why: it's an attack not just on their current autonomy, which is bad enough, but also their future autonomy, which I hold as categorically evil.

A justification for that belief, that attacking one's autonomy is a an attack on their person, used to be completely unnecessary in the kinds of circles that would happily associate with the label "Hacker". Sadly the libertarian (left and right) ideals that modern tech world were built on have crumbled under the weight of authoritarian influence.

Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by jkestner »

plandis wrote: post #8
xyzzy123 wrote: post #4

Feels like an interesting trend where a "solution" for parent anxiety (and to be fair, vastly increased societal expectations around what "care" looks like) is proposed to be electronic surveillance. It's a kid tracker / ankle bracelet in an attractive form factor. I was a kid in the 80s, city fringe, single parent who worked until 5:30. Honestly nobody had any idea where me & my friends were a lot of the time. Total…

I’m not saying your conclusion is incorrect but the anecdote provided is survivorship bias. My childhood was much the same in the 90s. There was a case recently where parents were charged with felony involuntary manslaughter, and felony child neglect because they let their 10 and 7 year cross the street unsupervised and a car hit them and the 7 year old died. As a parent if that’s the reality I definitely hesitate to…

I'm thankful I live in one of the several states with "free range" laws to protect parents from this. https://letgrow.org/states/

Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

i have this for both my young kids and it's great. It results in me letting them do all manner of things I wouldn't otherwise let them do because in an instant they can call me if things go sideways.

It ends up being less "tracker" and more "if they really really need me they can get me". It's win win - they get to do more, and I get to feel better.

Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by thebruce87m »

jcoder wrote: post #31

My child has an SE, and the only downside we’ve seen is that without a connected iPhone or WiFi network, the battery life is unimaginably bad. That little LTE radio works hard in the school.

How bad is bad? My son has an Xplora and it doesn’t even make it to 5pm after less than a year.

Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by [deleted] »

bko wrote: post #33
agnishom wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get how it can feel horrifying, but I don't think we should make this decision based on gut-reactions. Bad things can and do happen to children, but nearly not as much to warrant tracking them. Even if it were, I'd be reluctant to say that this is okay

Who are you to say what is okay? She's not your child. Yes its unlikely something bad would happen. It's also unlikely that you would get into a life threatening car accident. But you still wear a seatbelt. Why? Because it's the precautionary principle, pretty much common sense. Yes in the past we let children wander, but if you asked those parents in the past if there was some very low cost way to afford additional…

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Re: Apple Watch for Your Kids

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Post by pjmlp »

plandis wrote: post #8
xyzzy123 wrote: post #4

Feels like an interesting trend where a "solution" for parent anxiety (and to be fair, vastly increased societal expectations around what "care" looks like) is proposed to be electronic surveillance. It's a kid tracker / ankle bracelet in an attractive form factor. I was a kid in the 80s, city fringe, single parent who worked until 5:30. Honestly nobody had any idea where me & my friends were a lot of the time. Total…

I’m not saying your conclusion is incorrect but the anecdote provided is survivorship bias. My childhood was much the same in the 90s. There was a case recently where parents were charged with felony involuntary manslaughter, and felony child neglect because they let their 10 and 7 year cross the street unsupervised and a car hit them and the 7 year old died. As a parent if that’s the reality I definitely hesitate to…

I rather have the boomer / genx childhood from me and my parents, really don't get this helicopter parent attitude.

Yes, accidents do happen, kinds can't be surveilled 24/7 anyway.

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