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FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by brushfoot »

No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC.

Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too?

Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID.

We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions.

Of course, then we should tear down used bookstores. They're the biggest risk of all. Anyone can walk in and pick up pieces of paper that teach them dangerous ideas. Other religions. Philosophies. Poetry. How to make things.

What we really need is a nation of drones walking to and fro in the image of our rulers, thinking their thoughts, practicing their religions, and parroting their words. It's the only way to be truly safe.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by joxdosba »

naturalmovement wrote: post #51
joxdosba wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the legal requirement yes, I’ve never seen a shop insist on it. Most of them have autofill scripts for the KYC forms.

Isn't the main topic of discussion here a legal requirement? If everyone ignores it then what's the fuss about?

I’m just pointing out that in Europe the equivalent legal requirement is widely ignored, the same won’t necessarily repeat in the US, but it might.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by mothballed »

user3939382 wrote: post #52
bsimpson wrote: post #33

Here's the link to submit a comment to the FCC: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express Ran a quick search and found a whole bunch of news articles, but nobody includes info that makes it easy to route your comment. Feels like the beginning of Hitchhiker's Guide: > It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.

Open to the possibility that I’m just cynical but my faith is very low that these comment processes are anything more than a regulatory requirement for the illusion of due diligence which legitimizes the actual corporate lobbying and security state actually making the policy.

I'm nearly certain commenting, at least from my monitoring of commenting on ATF rulemaking, achieves the opposite of what the commenters hope.

While there is ~zero chance that commenting can help you, it absolutely is used against you as their lawyers sharpen their claws by crowdsourcing possible sources of challenge and use your comments to predict them and determine how to undermine such positions.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by brightball »

cwillu wrote: post #54
rockskon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well - it's not exactly a surprise that all these non-American countries engage in un-American practices. It's much more concerning when said practices are undertaken by the U.S. Just because other countries do something isn't a justification to bring the practice into the U.S. despite that being a justification used with increasing prevalence these days.

American exceptionalism was always a lie; name an “un-American” practice, and I'll show you a piece of American foreign policy.

Violations of the US Bill of Rights.

Yes they occur. Yes the US does it. Every violation of it should have lost in court already but courts have a way of interpreting things based on their beliefs rather than original intent.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by grim_io »

brushfoot wrote: post #61

No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC. Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too? Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID. We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions. Of course, the…

Worse, we are becoming a burden.

The Thiels of the world are already past wanting an obedient consumer.

They don't need us for the utopia they imagine for themselves.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by ethagnawl »

standardUser wrote: post #14

The Trump administration has been working overtime trying to build databases of people in this country. Leaving no stone unturned, legal or otherwise. I vaguely remember a time when American conservatives were against precisely this, often as a first principle. Maybe that's just an idealized memory on my part.

The American conservatives who can afford to be are effectively exempted. When they're not flying around on private jets, the ownership and metadata created by their cars, phones, etc. are obfuscated by layers of shell corporations.

The other ones are simple and/or deluded and think these sorts of policies won't ever come for _them_. (To their credit, under the current regime they're actually correct about that to a certain extent.)

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by stackskipton »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #11
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #2

This is how it works in Australia, which means it's a pain for tourists as you need to provide a passport for ID and get it activated, as opposed to just grabbing one at an airport kiosk and being ready to go on your way to the taxi or train like most other places.

What problem were they hoping to solve with that legislation?

Most of time it's billed as law enforcement fighting tool. If people can't have anonymous cell phones, once you capture one criminal phone number, you can quickly look at who they call and since they can't be burners, you figure out the criminal network.

Also, if you have restrictions of speech in the country, it's great way to de anonymize any speech government says is illegal.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by fc417fc802 »

mrsssnake wrote: post #44

Regardless of this, I see phone network as a legacy thing that in perfect world should already be replaced with lightweight upgradeable calling protocol over IPv6.

This would apply equally to said IP calling network since you'd need a SIM card to access the tower interesting strewn across the country either way.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by axus »

rirze wrote: post #15

Fundamentally un-American. That being said, many countries across the world already do this to eliminate burner phones. And many messaging apps require a phone number anyways so this basically locks down anonymous messaging through a phone.

Free, anonymous political speech is the bedrock of American freedom. Also, guns
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