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'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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Re: 'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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Sidebar: I love how Amazon basically gave up on AWS Chime for Slack. Even dogfooding their own messaging product didn't work.

IDK how the Chime team managed to make such a garbage product. Like, somehow they managed to make something even worse than Teams with a UI that made Webex look modern. I know there are good product people inside Amazon, so IDK what combination of incentives resulted in Chime.

Amazon acquired it. Initially, it was a messenger app (not) used in India.

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"Sign up for free access to this post". There should be a rule about this kind of posts. If there isn't already. https://archive.ph/1YRCE

By that logic links to the FT and the WaPo also couldn't be posted. Which I guess is a fair position to take, but seems too limiting to me.

What meaningful conversation can you have about an article you can read beyond the headline?

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I recently wound up in conversation with someone working at Amazon. Inevitably, the convo steered into AI/LLM's at some point. Here is what I learned: - AWS had an in-house LLM tool that was terrible they tried to use for a while - A lot of them still use Kiro - Claude Code is currently the de-facto standard - They're in the process of getting some custom Codex variant that doesn't phone-home and is audited approved…

From the outside it always seems laughably circuitious compared to just learning skills ourselves. Even if it did let me fill out TPS reports 20% faster, who even cares compared to all of this chaos?

Shareholders want the company to figure out how to pay fewer employees, and pay them less by down-skilling them

Re: 'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic links to the FT and the WaPo also couldn't be posted. Which I guess is a fair position to take, but seems too limiting to me.

> seems too limiting to me. articles restricting most users from reading them seems too limiting ban all sites with paywalls/login walls including Twitter, NYT, FT, Business Insider, literally all of them

Ok, anyone care to gather at a coffee shop so that we can discuss the print version?

Re: 'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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post #3

I recently wound up in conversation with someone working at Amazon. Inevitably, the convo steered into AI/LLM's at some point. Here is what I learned: - AWS had an in-house LLM tool that was terrible they tried to use for a while - A lot of them still use Kiro - Claude Code is currently the de-facto standard - They're in the process of getting some custom Codex variant that doesn't phone-home and is audited approved…

From the outside it always seems laughably circuitious compared to just learning skills ourselves. Even if it did let me fill out TPS reports 20% faster, who even cares compared to all of this chaos?

the problem is scale. there's a tension between an individual developing technical skills (transfer cost is high, slow, expensive) and developing agent skills (transfer cost is low, instant, free).

so, just like a manager manages employees, or you consult a contractor, agents are a way of getting leverage over a system.

that said, if you want to learn to play saxophone, you're free to do so. just note your personal endeavors may begin to look more like hobbies than marketable skills.

Re: 'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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I'm surprised with Amazon and Meta in terms of AI. Less surprised with Google, I think Google has a very specific niche they picked. If you really think about it, you don't have to be the absolute best, you just have to keep refining your model for efficiency and cost, and I think that's Google's true goals and secret sauce. Google will snowball into place. They're also used more than most people realize.

https://cloud.google.com/customers/qualia

Then there's Mark Z who is throwing away piles of money, but nothing to show for it other than letting people easily hack his social media sites? I really hope they never let an AI just send someone a link like that again? If you're at the point where a person is taking over an account, have a human review it, check for red flags like a VPN.

Re: 'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic links to the FT and the WaPo also couldn't be posted. Which I guess is a fair position to take, but seems too limiting to me.

> seems too limiting to me. articles restricting most users from reading them seems too limiting ban all sites with paywalls/login walls including Twitter, NYT, FT, Business Insider, literally all of them

There are plenty of posts every day that don’t require you to get through a paywall - I personally just ignore them. I imagine there are only a handful of paywalled articles a week, and most of them end up having an archive link in the comments anyway

Re: 'Sloppenheimer:' Amazon employees mock the company's AI on Slack

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post #8

Sidebar: I love how Amazon basically gave up on AWS Chime for Slack. Even dogfooding their own messaging product didn't work.

IDK how the Chime team managed to make such a garbage product. Like, somehow they managed to make something even worse than Teams with a UI that made Webex look modern. I know there are good product people inside Amazon, so IDK what combination of incentives resulted in Chime.

Amazon's toxic culture finally caught up to them. Early on they nailed it with Retail and AWS. Since then, all that terrible cutthroat culture grinded the efficacy down into producing just abomination after abomination of any business besides, just throwing bodies at AWS.
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