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Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by GuiA »

seldo wrote: post #16

As a recent immigrant myself -- I got my green card last week, after a 5-year application process, and I'm one of the lucky ones -- I'm a huge fan of immigration reform. However, this is not the bill to do it. The 55,000 diversity visas are an essential part of how immigration should work: there should be more of them, not less. While we need more STEM educated immigrants, it should not be at the expense of other vis…

I'm unfamiliar with diversity visas- who are they for, and what "good" are they supposed to provide?

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by hack_edu »

jdminhbg wrote: post #15
hack_edu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chill out. This has nothing to do with skilled/unskilled, illegal/legal. Its about reform for all of immigration policy, not just those who can already make a living for themselves anywhere. Plus, and I hate to say it, but there's very clearly much greater need (not demand, need) for the sorts of jobs 'unskilled illegals' end up doing than the high-skill (read: class) jobs that this piece of legislation addresses. An…

> (not demand, need) Wow.

Sorry but there is a difference between the two out there in the real world.

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by psychotik »

As a legal immigrant who has been in the country for 12 years and still waiting for a green card, I'm willing to accept that the administration will reject this bill if and only if it makes good on its promise for comprehensive reform. I also oppose the idea of cannibalizing the diversity visas - that seems to go against the spirit of the foundation of America's origins.

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by commandar »

sharkweek wrote: post #18
btilly wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they want to force Democrats to be on record voting against letting entrepreneurs into the country. The potential for attack ads during the next election cycle matters more in Washington DC than actually getting things done.

A little OT : Here's a great example of a bill being written with explicit intent of making anyone who votes against it look like a terrible person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Intern... Written by Lamar Smith, Mr. Privacy Invader himself -- make sure to read the Privacy issues section of the wiki page

Rep. Smith is also responsible for the STEM bill in question here.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.6429:

I've come to associate his name with being a bit of a red flag.

EDIT:

HN is mangling the hyperlink for some reason. Copy+pasting will get you to the bill.

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by mynameishere »

nhashem wrote: post #7

From the administration's response: "As a part of immigration reform, the Administration strongly supports legislation to attract and retain foreign students who graduate with advanced STEM degrees, to establish a start-up visa for foreign-born entrepreneurs to start businesses and create jobs, and to reform the employment-based immigration system to better meet the needs of the U.S. economy. However, the Administrat…

without "cannibalizing" the diversity visas.

Well, the diversity visas were the most brutal possible attack on sanity ever passed by a legislature. "Oh, you came from XYZ wretched backwater, here's your VISA...on the basis of your wretchedness." Sad, sad, sad, to live in such dismal times.

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by jbooth »

btilly wrote: post #9
nhashem wrote: post #7

From the administration's response: "As a part of immigration reform, the Administration strongly supports legislation to attract and retain foreign students who graduate with advanced STEM degrees, to establish a start-up visa for foreign-born entrepreneurs to start businesses and create jobs, and to reform the employment-based immigration system to better meet the needs of the U.S. economy. However, the Administrat…

Because they want to force Democrats to be on record voting against letting entrepreneurs into the country. The potential for attack ads during the next election cycle matters more in Washington DC than actually getting things done.

This, exactly. If congressional republicans actually wanted the additional STEM visas, they could pass a clean bill doing only that and Obama would probably sign it, based on the statement above.

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by pyre »

deepGem wrote: post #17

I don't understand what's really wrong in diverting 55,000 visas from a random, unplanned allocation scheme (diversity) to a more metrics driven allocation scheme (education). How is this not 'true reform'?

Is there a reason that we need to reallocate current visas? Why not just create 55K new STEM visas?

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by davorak »

rndmize wrote: post #19
nhashem wrote: post #7

From the administration's response: "As a part of immigration reform, the Administration strongly supports legislation to attract and retain foreign students who graduate with advanced STEM degrees, to establish a start-up visa for foreign-born entrepreneurs to start businesses and create jobs, and to reform the employment-based immigration system to better meet the needs of the U.S. economy. However, the Administrat…

If this is the case, the title of the article strikes me as poorly chosen.

Given the number of articles that have been as poorly chosen it would not surprise me if this was the case.

Re: Obama opposes House passage of H.R. 6429

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Post by sharkweek »

GuiA wrote: post #21
seldo wrote: post #16

As a recent immigrant myself -- I got my green card last week, after a 5-year application process, and I'm one of the lucky ones -- I'm a huge fan of immigration reform. However, this is not the bill to do it. The 55,000 diversity visas are an essential part of how immigration should work: there should be more of them, not less. While we need more STEM educated immigrants, it should not be at the expense of other vis…

I'm unfamiliar with diversity visas- who are they for, and what "good" are they supposed to provide?

lottery system for immigration, focused heavily on bringing in immigrants from countries that have lower immigration rates to the US -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_Immigrant_Visa
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