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Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Which is actually healthier, like a drug dealer that doesn't consume his own product

Healthier for him, unhealthier for society that is forced to suffer the effects of mass consumption of his product.

Nothing we have seen since musk‘s acquisition of Twitter indicates that his close proximity/high usage has led to better results for society.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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I've said for a while that I think this sort of thing is a much better explanation for trends we see than moustache-twirling foreign dictators "spreading dissent" for the heck of it. Yes, they exist and yes, they have troll factories, but they usually promote narratives with some immediate benefit to themselves. When they do promote irrelevant stuff, I think it's just to build social media clout for their actual mess…

There's a meme that most "nationalist" Twitter/X posters in the UK are actually from South Asia, and only doing it because for people in low-income countries the Twitter payments are a viable source of income. I'm not on Twitter anymore thankfully, but when I was there seemed to be a lot of truth to this. It even got to the point of there being successful witch hunts outing quite large/popular accounts as being India…

The same on Facebook, and its a very profitable:

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-11-16/kin...

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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post #126

If Facebook propaganda is so effective (and cheap) Western democracies should promote democratic values in Belarus/Kazakhstan. Canada should use this channel to promote tariff cancellation in the USA. I doubt that Facebook is efficient on important matter. If I'm wrong then Canadian government is doing very bad job in promoting democratic values in and outside Canada.

Facebook is not a universal tool that is used the same way in every country in the world. As a start, there are more Facebook users in Canada both in absolute numbers and percentage of population than in Belarus. Internet censorship also doesn't help.

The countries that would need this the most are usually also the countries where it is the hardest to reach their population from the outside.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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I've said for a while that I think this sort of thing is a much better explanation for trends we see than moustache-twirling foreign dictators "spreading dissent" for the heck of it. Yes, they exist and yes, they have troll factories, but they usually promote narratives with some immediate benefit to themselves. When they do promote irrelevant stuff, I think it's just to build social media clout for their actual mess…

There's a meme that most "nationalist" Twitter/X posters in the UK are actually from South Asia, and only doing it because for people in low-income countries the Twitter payments are a viable source of income. I'm not on Twitter anymore thankfully, but when I was there seemed to be a lot of truth to this. It even got to the point of there being successful witch hunts outing quite large/popular accounts as being India…

South Asia and africa. There's a reason he bought twitter and let any bozo buy verification. The money they make goes a long way in low income countries.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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post #79
post #51

The headline is rather misleading, it indicates a specific intent. But all the article reports is that there are overseas accounts that post about Alberta separatism because it creates clicks and hence money. Nothing to do specifically with albertan separatism, it has (and will) happened with plenty of other topics as well.

It doesn't indicate intent. It indicates incentives and outcomes. A system is what a system does, not what a system is claimed to stand for.

The original phrase, "the purpose of a system is what it does", was coined as a contrast to people saying "the purpose of this system is X" even though it consistently fails to achieve X. It does not make sense to look at an arbitrary problem and declare that the system is that problem or exists to produce the problem.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Its been discussed for long time already how russian methods work : The ex-KGB defector you're thinking of is Yuri Bezmenov (also known by his alias Tomas Schuman). The strategy he described is called "Ideological Subversion" (also referred to as "Active Measures" or "Psychological Warfare") Their time scale is measured in decades. 1. Demoralization Undermining the moral and cultural foundations of a society — making…

>1. Demoralization Undermining the moral and cultural foundations of a society — making people lose faith in their own country, values, and institutions ~15–30 years (one generation) took Putin less than 10 years to do that to Russia. the collapse is postponed while the regime's eunuchs and dogs are fed, of course, but God wills it, that might not be the case for much longer.

Putin had the backdrop of 1990s Russia to speed things up, though.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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post #126

If Facebook propaganda is so effective (and cheap) Western democracies should promote democratic values in Belarus/Kazakhstan. Canada should use this channel to promote tariff cancellation in the USA. I doubt that Facebook is efficient on important matter. If I'm wrong then Canadian government is doing very bad job in promoting democratic values in and outside Canada.

There is an assymetry cause by the fact that way more foreigners speak English fluently, than Americans/Canadians/British who speak foreign languages fluently.

So, they're naturally able to influence the West way more than the West can influence them.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

#139
post #126

If Facebook propaganda is so effective (and cheap) Western democracies should promote democratic values in Belarus/Kazakhstan. Canada should use this channel to promote tariff cancellation in the USA. I doubt that Facebook is efficient on important matter. If I'm wrong then Canadian government is doing very bad job in promoting democratic values in and outside Canada.

The US used to have that program (Voice of America). Trump shut it down because promoting democracy is woke.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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post #96

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Those people are people with high HN karma, a lot of it for posting or submitting technical discussions. Is that enough to give that much weight to their opinion on political topics?

>Those people are people with high HN karma, a lot of it for posting or submitting technical discussions. Click on a few of those names and see what kind of topics they wade into. I wish you were right. You're not gonna get high karma by having high quality technical discussion. First off no human can likely know enough depth on enough topics to contribute to very many of them. Second off, such commentary only gets p…

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