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Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by fg137 »

wyager wrote: post #55
jorgen123 wrote: post #41

For those not reading the linked article, it was not about tech (although valid discussions here). I had not expected this (this is about rural Alaska): > “In some rural districts, visa teachers make up 50% to nearly 80% of the teaching staff. School districts already invest $6,000 to $12,000 per teacher to recruit and sponsor educators through the H-1B visa process. Adding a $100,000 federal visa fee has made it fin…

Isn't the entire point of this order to prevent filling low-paying jobs with cheap foreign labor, in order to increase demand for domestic labor? "Rural district schoolteacher" sounds like exactly the kind of job where the H1B program has very low public support

You have been terribly misled.

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by fg137 »

JCTheDenthog wrote: post #17
variety8675 wrote: post #11

There must be a better way to prevent the consulting firms from abusing this program

Rigorous examinations for English fluency and for competency in their alleged field of expertise would be a good start. I have several H1B coworkers in the US who barely speak intelligible English, and who barely understand normal conversation let alone anything technical. A blatant example of this that I experienced recently being that several of them could not understand that just because a method in C# is asynchro…

> could not understand that just because a method in C# is asynchronous does not mean it executes out of order.

Want to bet how many naturally born US citizens in your colleagues can answer the question in a technical interview?

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Post by sidewndr46 »

Starman_Jones wrote: post #251
janalsncm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an excess of teachers in Alaska? I can understand why rural schools would need H1Bs. They would probably need to pay a premium to attract teachers from out of state, not to mention Alaska. And rural schools are the least able to actually do that. Maybe if the current admin really wants to keep the $100k fee, they can extend an olive branch by either waiving the fee or helping to fund American teachers to mov…

My sister was a schoolteacher in Alaska. They pay a premium, but it’s still not a life that most Americans are cut out for, including me. That means the schools have to choose between giving these kids subpar teachers who are happy to live up there, or miserable teachers who are only doing it for the money. Or, we can hire foreign teachers who are qualified AND are happy to teach up there.

They pay a premium or the state pays tax dollars to all residents as a premium?

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Post by maratc »

watwut wrote: post #273
throwaway85825 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people live in a pressurized bubble for a month for saturation diving. If the price is right you can get someone to do almost anything.

I would be fully willing to live in a pressurized bubble for a month for saturation diving. Sounds cool and doable. Living for years in rural Alaska and being a teacher? Absolutely not. That being said, there are not that many saturation divers, because being a month in a bubble is kind of least problem with it. The lifelong health impact is.

The biggest issue with saturation diving is not the pressure or the health impact, it's the fact that you share a tiny space with 3-6 other people for a month.

This might be the opposite of living in Alaska where you share a really huge amount of space with not a lot of other people.

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Post by spwa4 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #222
throwaway85825 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people live in a pressurized bubble for a month for saturation diving. If the price is right you can get someone to do almost anything.

That is true but I think the salient observation here is that it's only realistic to pay so much for education. So either you can't have children in such a town, or you're forced to homeschool, or (I guess what's being suggested is) you import someone willing to work an undesirable job if it gets them into the country. I think there's an important difference between importing labor to undercut qualified americans in…

Do we even realize this is the very beginning of the worldwide demographic transition? American and Worldwide cities aren't replacing themselves, and they're not having children ... as a way to save. And this is getting worse. Meanwhile the whole world is going through a demographic transition.

Which, allow me to translate, means in less than 25 years there will not be any society worldwide that has the people to allow Emigration. As stupid as it sounds now, Iran, China, the Taliban (just an example) are 15 years away from outlawing emigration, and Germany less than that. China is mostly there, btw, but apparently able to keep that little extra authoritarian detail out of the news.

You're a farmer in China? There's NO way out. You can't go to the city, you can't leave the country. No way out whatsoever, except perhaps death. And the question "how is that different from slavery?" will be fought, not answered, by Chinese authorities. As I said, pay attention, because the 2 presidents down the US president, whoever it is by then, will make the same arguments (Yes, I get that there were worse slavery systems, like the African slave trade, than that. But it's still slavery)

That means in less than a generation any American town WILL be forced to dedicate their own population to everything they need done.

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Post by spwa4 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #286
murderfs wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, so's "Bumfuck, Alaska needs a handful of teachers, therefore we're going to import infinite Indians"

Who said anything about infinite? I don't see anything wrong with importing labor if it's of net benefit to our society. If there was genuinely no citizen that wanted the job for any reasonable price then what's the harm in bringing in an educated outsider who contributes positively? It improves several metrics simultaneously without harming anyone.

You could also say that India is below replacement fertility. Which, if Indian history is anything to go by, will mean India will outlaw emigration to protect ultra-rich Indians.

China has already mostly made emigration illegal. The rest of the world will follow.

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Post by mplanchard »

amazingamazing wrote: post #3

Why can’t Americans do these jobs?

Do you want to move to Alaska, and rural Alaska at that (although even “cities” in Alaska are rural by most standards)? You get to be thousands of miles from your existing community, you won’t have a grocery store nearby, there may even be no way to get into or out of your village except by plane. Maybe in the winter you’ll be totally snowed in for weeks at a time.

You could offer me twice what I make as a software engineer and I wouldn’t take the job.

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by mplanchard »

jameson wrote: post #111
horns4lyfe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not even remotely the case. We just don’t have enough people willing to move to rural Alaska.

I'm sure the supply will go up if extra $$$ is paid.

I really think y’all are underestimating the reality of living in rural Alaska. I wouldn’t take a job there unless I had literally no other livable options.

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Post by zdragnar »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #281
zdragnar wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a ton of jobs that pay as well or better with lower requirements, even outside the bay area. Anyone with that level of experience, Python and a low level language isn't going to take you up. I'm not normally in agreement with the "you're not paying enough, there's plenty of people" crowd, because I've been on the hiring side too and know what a crapshoot it can be... But you're definitely offering too littl…

I'm sorry you think $200k/yr to sling Python for a 26 year old is too low? Come on man be real right now

$200k is very middle of the pack for a salary offer in the bay area, and most places will push total comp up with stock and such, whereas OP mentioned that 200 was the UPPER bound, meaning they wouldn't be offering it to a junior developer.

I may have also misread the degree requirement as being higher than it was, but I think my point (prior to the edit) stands- for the posted requirements, the offered salary is low compared to other available jobs.

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Post by liglam »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #96
jameson wrote: post #94

It's more alarming that US doesn't have enough skilled teachers in the nation that we have to hire from overseas. Education is an investment to the future generation and must not be overlooked.

That’s not even remotely the case. We just don’t have enough people willing to move to rural Alaska.

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