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Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by account42 »

rafaelcosta wrote: post #48

”Facebook is paying out to creators of monetized content because that content is popular” Would also work as a headline. But wouldn’t attract as many clicks I guess. The implication that Facebook is actively promoting a certain view point is disgusting, and old media loves to do that (even though they were historically the ones doing so). I’m all for local filtering (on some level) and preventing foreign interference…

NATO is not a company that does business in Russia. Facebook is a company that does business in Canada and as a result is subject to whatever conditions Canada imposes.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by tamimio »

The root issue is the monetization. If engagements weren’t monetized, no one will be incentivized to post in rage bait or hot topics for the most part, and of course, if you live in a country where $100 a month is a quality of life, you will have thousands of these posters. Look at twitter, if you browse it now you will think ww4 is imminent (as if ww3 started already), everyone is hating and attacking everything and everyone else, ragebait, clickbait, and all sort of baits just so the account owner get paid at the end of the month, a grift.

Check this grifter, indian in canada, running a bot to support MAGA to grift and milk engagements, will this bot exist if monetization wasn’t a thing?

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa-man-ai-bot-maga

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by _the_inflator »

sharperguy wrote: post #47
m-i-l wrote: post #41

I clicked on the link wondering if the twist might be that it was from state-backed troll farm, but not the country we normally associate with state-backed troll farms... However, from the article: "This may not always be classic foreign interference in the state-backed sense. Sometimes it's much more banal. It's in some ways more depressing, ... People sitting thousands of miles away working out that Canadian outrag…

Free speech doesn't mean that we don't desire filters. Go check your gmail spam folder. Twitter would look identical to this with filters at all. What we really want is: * transparency about the filters we have on our feeds * the ability to tweak them if they're not working * the ability to change providers without losing your entire social graph / reach

You are on to something but going the wrong path. It is all about personal decision making and not enforcement by goverment.

To put it:

" * Government decides and approves about the filters we have on our feeds * the government has the right and duty to tweak them if they're not working in the way a panel of experts decides * no ability to change providers since there is only one that takes care of your entire social graph / reach "

Choose the premise wisely.

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Post by pjc50 »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #12
vintermann wrote: post #2

I've said for a while that I think this sort of thing is a much better explanation for trends we see than moustache-twirling foreign dictators "spreading dissent" for the heck of it. Yes, they exist and yes, they have troll factories, but they usually promote narratives with some immediate benefit to themselves. When they do promote irrelevant stuff, I think it's just to build social media clout for their actual mess…

> which are things like, "Sanctions on Russian leaders are pointless and counterproductive", "Assad didn't gas anyone", "Actual nazis have the Ukrainian leadership's balls in a vice" etc. What would be the point of that? Wars and support of wars do not generally rely on public support. For instance here in the us, only around 3% of americans vote based on foreign policy. Does it really matter which narrative the mass…

Rather like the Raytheon adverts in DC airport, the aim of all this nonsense is to alter the worldview of the small number of people who make the actual decisions. It does seem to have some effect - the Trump administration withdrew support from Ukraine.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by Fizz43 »

Same for Datacenters, MAGA and a ton of other things. Algorithms are being abused to manipulate reality for people and people know it. But they still get swept up because it feels so real when you're reading hundreds of comments, seeing countless articles and posts and videos.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by pjc50 »

rafaelcosta wrote: post #48

”Facebook is paying out to creators of monetized content because that content is popular” Would also work as a headline. But wouldn’t attract as many clicks I guess. The implication that Facebook is actively promoting a certain view point is disgusting, and old media loves to do that (even though they were historically the ones doing so). I’m all for local filtering (on some level) and preventing foreign interference…

Paying money for a particular viewpoint is promoting it. This is not complicated.

(yes, this is a serious problem with content monetization intermediaries; somehow as soon as the topic is sexual everyone immediately understands what the problem is and rushes to condemn the intermediary)

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Post by trumpdong »

TZubiri wrote: post #40
ifwinterco wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the difference is Elon is actually a Twitter addict and he's genuinely on there every day engaging with this stuff, so he probably saw the memes. I get the sense Zuckerberg is a lot more disconnected from everyday Facebook and Insta content

Which is actually healthier, like a drug dealer that doesn't consume his own product

Healthier for him, unhealthier for society that is forced to suffer the effects of mass consumption of his product.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by pjc50 »

energy123 wrote: post #55
vintermann wrote: post #2

I've said for a while that I think this sort of thing is a much better explanation for trends we see than moustache-twirling foreign dictators "spreading dissent" for the heck of it. Yes, they exist and yes, they have troll factories, but they usually promote narratives with some immediate benefit to themselves. When they do promote irrelevant stuff, I think it's just to build social media clout for their actual mess…

That's what you think they ought to be doing as a rational actor, but there is a body of counter-evidence suggesting that their intent is to cause chaos as a dual goal. I would point you towards the various hybrid warfare attacks on civic society especially across Europe, such as infrastructure sabotage, bomb threats to election centers, and hiring petty criminals to attack religious sites or paint hateful graffiti.…

> hiring petty criminals to attack religious sites or paint hateful graffiti.

This turns out to have been alarmingly effective. All it needs is someone willing to hand cash to bored teenagers, and their vandalism can be redirected from bus shelters to critical infrastructure.

Re: Facebook is paying people overseas promoting Alberta separatism

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Post by suslik »

TZubiri wrote: post #40
ifwinterco wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the difference is Elon is actually a Twitter addict and he's genuinely on there every day engaging with this stuff, so he probably saw the memes. I get the sense Zuckerberg is a lot more disconnected from everyday Facebook and Insta content

Which is actually healthier, like a drug dealer that doesn't consume his own product

Healthier - perhaps, although I do prefer when my dealers use the same product they sell to me.

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Post by trumpdong »

vintermann wrote: post #28
throwaway27448 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine Israel's various hasbara operation dwarfs its relevance and funding by multiple orders of magnitude. I don't see much evidence it plays a role outside of being useful to blame for inconvenient discourse.

Sure, but that's a good example. They obviously push pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian and probably a good deal of outright anti-Muslim positions. But do you think they push random divisive issues, unrelated to their own interests, just to destabilize countries they don't like? I think the evidence for that is much weaker.

That wouldn't really make sense for Israel. They don't want America to be destabilised. They want it stable and supporting them. Same for European countries. They want Palestine and Iran unstable, but they've already achieved that through other means.
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