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Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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post #129

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What incentive would Oasis have to help bring down the prices for their own shows anyway?

Having seen shows with super-premium prices at the front, with half the place being non-reactive to the show because people paying extra are not actually huge fans but huge wallets, yeah you need to put down prices and get those front tickets to fans if you want to have nice shows

You're basically describing my idea of hell.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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I run a ticketing SaaS in the Netherlands.

The biggest promotor here, Mojo, a subsidiary of Live Nation, occassionally requires venues to use Ticketmaster (Live Nation-owned) for events featuring the artists they manage.

The artist is why people buy tickets, and they control that part of the market.

In the US they also own a bunch of venues. They can pressure other independent venues into using Ticketmaster, they own 80% of big venues in the US, so the venue needs the artist, not the other way around.

No independent venue wants to use Ticketmaster, but they have to to book the big names.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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The older I get, the less interested I am in seeing big bands. I'm lucky to live in an area with a great local music scene, plenty of independent venues. I can't think of a single band I'd pay these extortionate prices for, I'd much rather support a local band and local venue.

Are you suggesting that others should share your musical taste in order to punish Ticketmaster?

Yes

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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post #129

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OASIS did that one when they announced their return tour. "We have no control over the ticket prices" Yeah you do, there's no show without you...

What incentive would Oasis have to help bring down the prices for their own shows anyway?

I remember Oasis. They're the ones who literally pissed on the audience here back in the 90s.

The idea that they care if their fans live or die really comes down to whether they could get sponsors on board or not.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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One detail I haven’t seen in other comments. In the uk at least, live nation / Ticketmaster will sign exclusive deals with artists - limiting them to a summer run of (for eg) five live nation festivals and no performances at any non live nation events. So even if alternative venues / festivals exist, live nation squeezes them out by being able to sign bigger multi venue/event deals.

We have to let go of old artists stuck in these patterns and find new, ideally local artists.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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The market wont change until someone discovers a method to sell better than ticketmaster. Yes ticketmaster sucks, but when competition pops up, it isnt like an order of magnitude better than ticketmaster. Its like Cabcharge. The first real thing that ever challenged it was uber. I change here needs to be similar. Maybe a presale marketplace to attract events? Tours could change to follow the money to an extent? Then…

Nah, theres not a technical or business solution to this. Music is cultural and we'll develop new cultural technology to solve it. Vision + regulation would help things move a little faster but the pendulums swing is inevitable.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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post #139

Many of the other commenters have explained how the ownership structure of Ticketmaster gives them near monopoly control because they also own the radio stations and the venues and the promoters. (I'm using "they" and "own" very liberally in this paragraph.) The simple fact that there's an ownership link between Ticketmaster and the scalper I mean totally legit resale sites is so wildly corrupt that, well, it's textb…

Go to a lot of smaller shows, been using DICE for a long time - I think they dominate the smaller venues (in the UK at least). They've made tickets as easy as Amazon made ecom. Alerts when for when tickets go on sale, (almost one click!) buy for friends and share, bans if you sell over face value, and (for a lot of places) you can return tickets to the pool to resell if you can't go (so there's often last minute wait…

DICE are owned by Fever as of 2025.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What incentive would Oasis have to help bring down the prices for their own shows anyway?

Idk about Oasis specifically, but there have been multiple examples of other bands fighting to keep the concert tickets affordable for their fans. Nirvana did that for example. And even if you explicitly want to charge as much as possible from your fans, why claim that you have no influence over the price?

Here is an interview with MTV where Nirvana are doing the maths of how much money they earn from ticket sales to their shows: https://youtube.com/shorts/anI0NT-_DRQ?si=abX0sy_C-XzxCIjG

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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post #131
post #129

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What incentive would Oasis have to help bring down the prices for their own shows anyway?

Presumably the don't want only old rich people and empty seats. Otherwise you could self-scalp all the tickets at the highest price possible, maximisung revenue for a single gig but making it so unfun/bad press that you come off worse.

I think a majority of old rich people is pretty much unavoidable at a return tour.

Re: Ask HN: Why hasn't there been a real competitor to Ticketmaster yet?

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It is the same question of: "why hasn't there been a real competitor to Facebook Events and why many people post events information only there?"

Fwiw I have never heard of facebook events

In Italy and Germany it is massively used. You can only find events there and nowhere else.

Since I don't own a FB account, I don't have access to the events information as well.

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