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MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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They say they are using https://github.com/tile-ai/TileRT - persistent CUDA kernel - tiled processing with overlapping read/writes - model designed with specific constraints in mind

Excuse me, do aliens live among us? 17 commits, 99% Python and multiplying the speed of GLM, Deepseek V4, MiMO 2.5?

tilert is closed source, the repo is just a python wrapper that invokes the binary.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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I'm using Deepseek-v4-pro as my main model and this is sometimes pretty annoying, I have to do some easy boring task, think "I'll just leave the agent to do it and go take a nap", but it's already done writing the code before I even walk away from the computer

Do you mean Flash and not Pro? I haven't tried it personally, but according to OpenRouter, the fastest DeekSeep V4 Pro providers are only ~50tps. That's slower than Claude Opus. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=throughp...

DS through OpenRouter is significantly slower than direct from DS platform in my experience

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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it is hard to understand what the actually meaningful innovations are here / what TileRT is bringing to the table. - dflash: new-ish but February is ancient by the standards of the pace of AI innovation lately, I guess applying it to a 1T model is new-ish in the sense that the dflash researchers don't have the hw budget to prove that out - persistent engine kernel: this is like CUDA 101 - warp specialization: I think…

tilert is a highly optimized megakernel, its a single kernel that does the entire decode pass, this enables overlapping weight loading with computation, eliminates cuda launch overhead (CUDA graph does not, contrary to what most people think), allows for more fine-grained pipelining. There're lots of blogs/papers on it. Its currently the best approach to maximize memory bandwidth. But megakernels are incredibly hard to optimize, and only work for small batch sizes (low throughput, hence high price), thats why we don't see them much in production.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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I’ve been playing around with groq and GPT OSS which they run at 1000 TPS (20B) or 800 TPS (120B) and the speed feels quite magical. I haven’t tried cerebras’ 3000 TPS yet but I did try the demo of that 15,000 TPS model whose name escapes me right now. I’m not sure if it makes a meaningful difference for my actual work, but it sure is amazing to watch it generate a screen full of text in the blink of an eye. I do thi…

https://chatjimmy.ai/ ?

That’s the one.

The speed is incredible and fun to see, but the model is rather weak to the point where I’m not sure it’s particularly useful for most people.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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post #58

Fast AI seems genuinely exciting and somewhat unsettling to me. Right now Claude is faster than me on some tasks but we’re at least close. I have a prompt to clean up a PR that’s been running for 1h now and I expect it to take another few. It’s hard to imagine how the workflow would look like if it was near-instant. On the one hand, it might be easier to focus. Some prompts take so long that I start to multitask and…

"I don’t even know where we fit in."

Giving directions and verifying its output? But my mental capacity is still limited. I can make way more prompts, than I can read code.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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post #30

Tokens per seconds is the "Megapixels" of AI marketing!

Definitely not, there's a ton of potential realtime use cases and high throughput/low TTFT is exactly what they need.

Of course, megapixels are also useful if you want to print large sizes.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

#418
post #58

Fast AI seems genuinely exciting and somewhat unsettling to me. Right now Claude is faster than me on some tasks but we’re at least close. I have a prompt to clean up a PR that’s been running for 1h now and I expect it to take another few. It’s hard to imagine how the workflow would look like if it was near-instant. On the one hand, it might be easier to focus. Some prompts take so long that I start to multitask and…

I'm using Deepseek-v4-pro as my main model and this is sometimes pretty annoying, I have to do some easy boring task, think "I'll just leave the agent to do it and go take a nap", but it's already done writing the code before I even walk away from the computer

> I have to do some easy boring task, think "I'll just leave the agent to do it and go take a nap", but it's already done writing the code before I even walk away from the computer

the way software engineering works these days reminds me a lot of factory workers on production lines that just sit in front of a production line all day and take out faulty items and/or perform a single step in the production of goods.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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post #417

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Definitely not, there's a ton of potential realtime use cases and high throughput/low TTFT is exactly what they need.

Of course, megapixels are also useful if you want to print large sizes.

Completely incomparable. Large printing is a narrow niche in art and technical photography, part of which is already covered by composites, and pixel size is a physical tradeoff for sensors. Cases for reasoning at realtime speeds are much, much more diverse, infinitely more diverse than anything we're currently using the big models for. Consider the fact that large models don't necessarily imply language. Speed is the major limiting factor for high-level automation. Coding is simply the immediate killer app that is useful right now, given the current state of AI - just like roleplaying and chatbots were previously.

Re: MiMo-v2.5-Pro-UltraSpeed: 1T model with 1000 tokens per second

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I'm using Deepseek-v4-pro as my main model and this is sometimes pretty annoying, I have to do some easy boring task, think "I'll just leave the agent to do it and go take a nap", but it's already done writing the code before I even walk away from the computer

Agent mania setting in It's also pretty funny sometimes how it gives weird future roadmap estimates ("part 2 - 3 weeks, part 3 - 2 months", etc.) and when you tell it to actually do those changes it's pretty much done in half an hour

> It's also pretty funny sometimes how it gives weird future roadmap estimates ("part 2 - 3 weeks, part 3 - 2 months", etc.)

those estimates are based on previous human estimates (the datasets it's been trained on).

unironically, when your comments will become part of a dataset, LLMs will likely get much better at estimating.

now that i think about it, all these writings about LLMs will give LLMs something much like meta-cognition.

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