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The video they posted today outlines their specs. They are gonna be smaller. About 100T. Based on Starlink architecture but with way larger radiators and solar panels. Apparently the design is simpler than existing Starlinks because it has fewer different parts. Specs: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2064108916611420273?s=20
I feel like we are going to relive the hyperloop-decline with the specs of proposed orbital datacentres. But the hyperloop was in one regard a success, in that it built temporary hype. Maybe it was even named after that.
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#172You can absolutely level this claim against Tesla too. When deliveries dropped a year ago, the stock price didn't go down. Tesla's stock is disconnected from the fundamentals and every stock investor today knows this. Why would SpaceX be any different? If anything it would be even more disconnected from the fundamentals than Tesla is, given how much more control it gives Elon. SpaceX stock is a bet on Elon, full stop…
Yeah you can’t go into this with any expectations or later complaints. Everyone knows at this point that he’s going to do whatever the fuck he wants. If you give him money, that’s what it’s for. I say this entirely neutrally. Some people want to invest in that—and he’s made a boatload of money for those who have thus far!—while others find it insane. But you don’t get to buy into this and complain.
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I don't think he's dumb at all, if what you say is correct. He wanted to block something for his own benefit and he achieved it.
I'm not convinced that's the case. I tend to think he just saw something he found cool and triggered his narcissism so he had to come up with something he thought was cooler. That something turned out to be BS and he just dropped the idea and moved on.
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I think this is a very big issue. If SpaceX is very successful, will he pay out dividends, or will he spend everything on a mission to mars at a massive loss or something like that?
If SpaceX is very successful he will spend everything on a mission to mars. He's pretty up front about this. If it costs a lot and the company runs at a loss then it costs a lot and the company runs at a loss. Read the S-1 > We believe that our current space efforts will catalyze transformative breakthroughs that could reshape terrestrial industries and lead to the emergence of new trillion-dollar markets on the Moon…
And yes, I don't plan to invest unless SpaceX stock somehow becomes cheap, which is very unlikely.
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Sure, California is a failed state on a lot of fronts, but Musk literally said he was pushing hyperloop for that reason. https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article26445107... Whether he was the only reason for high speed rail being derailed and delayed isn't really the point. He intentionally worked against mass transit, and lied repeatedly about hyperloop as part of that.
> California is a failed state on a lot of fronts Some people really should just rm -rf their boot disk cause I feel dumber for having read their comment.
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The orbital data center thing is really strange. Without some kind of massive technological breakthrough the physics of an orbital data center make no sense. Napkin math for a single data center including solar panels, radiators, compute and structure is somewhere on the order of ~6500 tonnes. Let's say Starship can put 100-150 tonnes into orbit per launch, that is somewhere between 40-65 launches for just one single…
The video they posted today outlines their specs. They are gonna be smaller. About 100T. Based on Starlink architecture but with way larger radiators and solar panels. Apparently the design is simpler than existing Starlinks because it has fewer different parts. Specs: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2064108916611420273?s=20
Radiating into 300K ambient, it’s 134C. (300K ambient is about what you get if the sun is visible or if a large fraction of what the radiator can see is the Earth.)
You can slightly fudge the 300K case with a spatially or specially selective system, which would add weight and complexity. (Well, you can’t get rid of the problem of the Earth being warm by spectral selectivity — it’s the same spectrum as the radiator.) You cannot fudge the absolute zero case — the Stefan-Boltzmann law is extremely unforgiving. [0] And you need some headroom for the system that gets the cooling fluid to the radiator.
The thermal qualification temperature of an H100 is 87C and the associated HBM is 95C.
So I don’t see how this can work short of using higher-temp chips. I have no idea how SpaceX expects to source any such thing in any meaningful volume.
[0] This includes heat pumps. A heat pump makes it worse.
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#177And the prospectus says it plainly: "Mr. Musk will be able to control the outcome of matters requiring shareholder approval." Musk holds over 85% voting power through Class B super-voting shares (10 votes/share). Public investors combined will have 15%. What Musk Controls: - CEO removal = his consent. You can't fire him even if he destroys the company - Take business for himself. SpaceX gets a rocket deal? Musk can s…
Voting control doesn't change management's fiduciary duty to all shareholders. The founders retaining voting control has worked out fine for Alphabet shareholders.
Only after the cofounders brought in veteran "adult supervision" who offered guided the company with a steady hand, while Larry and Sergei were safely in their moonshot hobby project play-pens, away from the core products - an arrangement that would greatly benefit shareholders in Musk companies.
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I see it as a hedge against NIMBYs. If terrestrial data centers literally can't be built then orbital is cheaper by definition. If not, just don't build them.
Worse, it’s “don’t worry, the next data centers will be in space, so it’s okay if the ones we are building right now destroy the environment, there won’t be anymore!” It’s the exact tactic he used with California HSR
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#179I need to understand what possible benefit there is to doing DCs in space. The cost would be, no pun intended, fucking astronomical. The cooling situation would make no sense at all -- the major up-and-coming application of DCs, LLM training, has absurd cooling requirements even here on earth where convective cooling is an option, to the point where many DCs use open-loop cooling. Latency might be better, in some cas…
It's easy to see the benefit in DC's in space if you look at a few ingredients: 1. The recent Iran drone attacks on AWS data centers 2. Growing anti-AI and anti data center sentiment at home, plus Larry Fink (ceo of Blackrock) in a recent interview being terrified of dissident groups using consumer drones to attack data centers. 3. Anthropic, Grok, and other AI vendors becoming more and more integrated into defense a…
In other words, we can just assume this concept is possible and makes sense some level of financial sense for military, government, and high sensitivity use cases.
Well, find me a military contractor worth $1.5 trillion. Lockheed Martin is worth 1/10th of that.
Put Lockheed Martin and AT&T together and you’ve got about 1/5 of a SpaceX IPO target valuation.
Even if we make this assumption that the technology is marketable and has merit, it’s not like every company or government agency is going to want to switch to this technology. There are already a number of alternatives that can mitigate many to all of the risks that it solves.
The cost and complexity right now to deploy global services and their disaster recovery replicas to multiple distant data centers in the terrestrial world is already extremely low. Often, these features are offered as an off-the-shelf service.
California could sink into the ocean and my users wouldn’t even see a blip of downtime. Unless they live in California.
Heck, build some data centers underground in deep fortified bunkers if you want. That would be cheaper than launching them into space. They might even be easier to defend than satellites and space DCs because a foreign adversary can’t just launch a missile up in the sky to get to it.
Going back to not really suspending disbelief as much, I also think performance and latency is going to be an insurmountable problem. Right now as we speak Starlink residential service is about 10x slower than my home fiber connection at the same price. How is this technology going to compete with data center level infrastructure even in an optimistic scenario?
I can toss pennies per hour at Amazon for a relatively small VM with like 4GB of RAM and they’ll give that thing a 15 gigabit connection.
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#180And the prospectus says it plainly: "Mr. Musk will be able to control the outcome of matters requiring shareholder approval." Musk holds over 85% voting power through Class B super-voting shares (10 votes/share). Public investors combined will have 15%. What Musk Controls: - CEO removal = his consent. You can't fire him even if he destroys the company - Take business for himself. SpaceX gets a rocket deal? Musk can s…
1. One of Elon's companies (Tesla) bought out another of Elon's companies (Solar City) that was going bankrupt because it owed a lot of money to yet another of Elon's companies (SpaceX) [1];
2. Elon diverted $500M of NVidia H100 GPUs reserved for Tesla to xAI [2];
3. Elon made a buyout agreement for Twitter then tried to back out. Twitter sued (for specific performance) and a Delaware judge agreed. Elon completed the purchase before the court ordered him to [3]. That purchase was secured by his Tesla shares. He ran Twitter into the ground and then created xAI in 2023 [4]. Both Tesla and SpaceX "invested" billions into it. Elon ultimately used the funds to buy out Twitter at an inflated price (and still less than he paid) [5]. He ultimately then bailed out the xAI investors by having SpaceX acquire xAI [6]. IMHO this made SpaceX a significantly worse company. It was also used to inflate the value of SpaceX by using some wildly optimistic made up numbers about the AI total addressable market; and
4. The Cybertruck has been an unmitigated financial disaster. It's a terrible car and sales are awful. But that's OK because Elon uses SpaceX to buy Cybertrucks [7].
At least with the Google founders and Mark Zuckerberg, they only had one company so they weren't playing corporate shell games or using it as a personal slush fund on this scale.
[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/24/technology/elon-musk-spac...
[2]: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/04/elon-musk-told-nvidia-to-shi...
[3]: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/06/1127346372/elon-musk-twitter-...
[4]: https://research.contrary.com/company/xai
[5]: https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/musks-xai-buys-social-...
[6]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6vnrye06po
[7]: https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-bought-tesla-cybertru...