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Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by bijowo1676 »

Telemakhos wrote: post #62
dboreham wrote: post #34

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TFA is about teachers in Alaska. I'm guessing from a brief skim that no Americans want to be school teachers in Alaska for the money local school boards are offering. This actually highlights two dumb things about the USA: prejudice against immigrants, and unwillingness to fund education.

This sounds like a self-correcting problem, if you don't allow immigration. Schools will have to pay more for teachers, which will raise salaries for native born teachers, instead of paying a lower rate to someone on a temporary work visa. The matter is a little more complicated than that, because Alaska also has some of the nation's most stringent licensure requirements with no alternative routes for high-demand low…

>student debt relief

It already exists its called PSLF

Alaska is already one of the top states for educator pay, and as you know how US government has continioualy failed to solve problems by throwing more money at it, you know more money will simply cause more general inflation and will never solve it.

US already spends more for education with worse results

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

esalman wrote: post #123
randyrand wrote: post #58

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There are an excess of teachers in the USA already. It’s a big reason they aren’t paid that well. No good reason to import them except to pay them even less .

I hear this argument all the time. There's an excess of this, there's an excess of that. Seems it only comes from people who are not directly involved in hiring of such roles. We hired for an analyst role few months ago in the bay area and there was no qualified American applicants. My wife is in pavement consultancy and they hardly ever find qualified Americans for pavement design jobs.

Isn’t it a self-fulfilling issue? Dependence on H1B and other visa dependent workers leads to lower salaries which discourages local talent from that specialty.

What requirements did the role have and what’s the salary range?

From what little I gather from online job listings, most foreign labor dependent positions are trying to pay 90K for a masters degree, maybe 120-140K Bay Area. Additionally, many of these job listings want extremely specific degrees or certifications that frankly are of little interest to US citizens - but F1 students will take any masters program despite the program having little salary benefit - the degree is a requirement for the visa.

I have a hard time believing you can’t find a US civil engineer who could learn the subject matter right out of college. Although saying that I know first hand low starting salaries have pushed students towards mechanical engineering or CS if inclined.

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by newfriend »

parrellel wrote: post #43
panny wrote: post #33

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I don't believe Trump's wacko EOs are binding law. Like, the Gulf of Mexico is still the Gulf of Mexico. The DoD is still the DoD. No reason to give the fascist LARPers the respect. Just don't give the poor clerk forced to regurgitate the junk a hard time.

or DACA?

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by SXX »

jameson wrote: post #111
horns4lyfe wrote: post #96

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That’s not even remotely the case. We just don’t have enough people willing to move to rural Alaska.

I'm sure the supply will go up if extra $$$ is paid.

Except you'll have to spend way more than $100,000 to incentify US citizen from a city to move there and stay.

And they not gonna have the same near slave H1B conditions where changing their job is just impossible..

H1B workers in IT even have an option to find a new visa sponsor, but nobody needs foreign teacher with H1B in California or Texas or basically anywhere else.

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by bijowo1676 »

throwawaytea wrote: post #130
trelane wrote: post #79

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> is there shortage of teachers in USA? No, there is a steady stream of teachers being fed into the maw of public education. The pay is low and job security is terrible until you get tenure. My wife was a teacher; I have heard horror stories. You get paid based on a combination of how much money you earn your employer and how easy you are to replace. Schools get paid by taxes, and there are a ton of them produced eve…

My gf makes about $90k a year, tons of time off, at 35 years old in a California public school. If she wasn't a teacher, she admits she'd probably be a cop or 911 dispatcher, because government gigs are what her entire extended family recommends. She has trouble adding 50 cents to 75 cents, but luckily she only teaches English and social studies to middle schoolers.

I have a kid who just graduated elementary and is about to enter Middle school.

Your post actually explains why every single classmate of my daughter has enrolled in private middle school ($50k+ tuition), despite being in the best school district (Palo Alto School District).

Apparently public middle schools are really bad in California, but you can still find decent high and elementary schools

All top private middle schools in the bay are oversubscribed and cannot accomodate everyone, and require ridiculous exams and admission process that rivals Ivy League, situation is really bad, and demand for good teachers is infinite

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Post by throwaway85825 »

allarm wrote: post #156
throwaway85825 wrote: post #146

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Some people live in a pressurized bubble for a month for saturation diving. If the price is right you can get someone to do almost anything.

It doesn't matter how much money you have if you can't spend it.

That applies to a ton of people in the military. People are capable of delayed gratification.

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

epistasis wrote: post #39
JCTheDenthog wrote: post #14

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>Anti-immigration policy blocks them from being Americans. Yes, because the citizens of a country (through their elected representatives) have absolute control over who they choose to allow into their country. Even blocking a brilliant surgeon or inventor, if they so choose. There is no moral right to come to America (or any other country).

Saying "I have absolute control" is not a justification for making bad decisions that hurt the US. Furthermore, it was never a question of the US had a right to make these decisions, of course it does. Do you find the argument "I have the right to make any decision I want therefor it justifies bad decisions" convincing? I sure don't.

>Saying "I have absolute control" is not a justification for making bad decisions that hurt the US.

How is it a bad decision that will hurt the US? Can you make that argument on its merits? No one doubts that there isn't that one genius here or there

Last year, right here on HN I saw a headline where the "powers that be" wanted to increase Canada's population to 100 million (they currently sit at 30ish million). Is that a good decision for Canada? Where the fertility rate is so low population is shrinking? Like, do they need another 65 million people? Are there 65 million jobs going undone in Canada right now? Jobs that desperately need doing? The plan's the same for the United States, even if no one was careless enough to blare a similar headline from trumpets.

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Post by lokar »

randyrand wrote: post #58
jorgen123 wrote: post #41

For those not reading the linked article, it was not about tech (although valid discussions here). I had not expected this (this is about rural Alaska): > “In some rural districts, visa teachers make up 50% to nearly 80% of the teaching staff. School districts already invest $6,000 to $12,000 per teacher to recruit and sponsor educators through the H-1B visa process. Adding a $100,000 federal visa fee has made it fin…

There are an excess of teachers in the USA already. It’s a big reason they aren’t paid that well. No good reason to import them except to pay them even less .

It’s not the job, it’s the location.

There is a shortage of most careers that require and college degree in rural areas.

Also, rural areas don’t have the tax base to out pay urban areas.

This is about the stagnation and lack of vitality in rural towns in general.

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Post by lokar »

brudgers wrote: post #71
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #51

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Not from USA, is there shortage of teachers in USA? Or government pays too little to have local teachers consider such jobs? Seems like a broken system

Rural Alaska is by and large very very remote. Often small plane is the only practical access and then only in favorable weather. Recruiting teachers to remote villages with extreme weather is hard and if you are at US university training to be a teacher you will probably have other options that are more attractive as a young person.

Even anchorage is pretty bad

Re: Federal judge blocks H1B visa $100K fee

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Post by mindslight »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #90
fhfbfbtbt wrote: post #23

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You’re putting words in people’s mouths. The fact that people oppose this solution doesn’t mean they disagree with the problem. We oppose it because it’s stupid; it’s the first solution that a dim-witted eight-year-old would’ve come up with. The program needs to be reformed so it only applies to people with skills that genuinely cannot be found domestically. Given the difference in expected engineering salaries for m…

If people that think like you had actually done something about it, then we wouldn’t be to this point. But at this point the only people taking action are trumps, and if that’s the only solution being offered, it will be taken. The conversation here is mild, get the room temp on this issue outside of lib tech circles and you’ll see

So after 4 years, or whenever this con man finally has the decency to keel over, is everyone who supported these performative non-solutions simply to "be heard" (or however else they frame their emotional release) going to own up to the fact that they've burnt all the political capital on the issues they care about? Or are they going to blame their predictable failures on "libuhruls" and go right back to whinging while waiting for the next con man who might pay them lip service?
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