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Re: Siri AI

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Post by ipaddr »

burnerthrow008 wrote: post #186
himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

> This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Nah, that just shifts the goal posts. If they did that, developers would be whining about "scare screens", as we have already seen when Apple put app installs behind a permission prompt. They're already up in arms about the requirement from Apple (and Google) to know who is behind the apps that slurp…

You can downloads millions of things for your computer without kyc protocols. Why are phones in a special class? Your data is being slurped by the people who sold you the phone and you are worried about the small fish.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by WorldPeas »

dwroberts wrote: post #222
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #152

I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.

Requiring at least an iPhone 15 Pro also seems like a mistake, unless it’s for actual hardware reasons. The 15 is only 3 years old, this requirement cuts off a lot of potential users I think

I think it's the requirement of having 4gb+ vram (for gemma+context) free at any one time, any phone older than that cannot materially satisfy that demand: https://iosref.com/memory-processor

Re: Siri AI

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Post by tyre »

himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today.

In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some features or usage that require iCloud plus or whatever to cover incremental cost, but I genuinely believe that they don’t want services creeping in that break their trust with users or their privacy-first reputation.

Apple’s decision (users will have a less powerful product because we’re not vacuuming up their data and using it for profit) is exactly the kind of thing the EU should want. No country has appropriate data privacy guidelines for AI (yet) so opening up choice can’t provide alternatives.

(To be clear, I’d be fine with Anthropic here, but am fine with this state. Maybe because I’m so used to Siri sucking that I’ve given up hope.)

Re: Siri AI

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Post by WorldPeas »

speak_plainly wrote: post #35

The demo Mike Rockwell gave at WWDC was interesting. He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone. I hope this is the direction Apple is going to continue in. Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.

apple's highly opinionated developer strategy has a strength here insofar as they could use it to deconstruct existing apps into generative ui programs that the user may compose to their needs (e.g. putting a webview for cooking instructions above a timer) though of course app publishers would decry it, Apple's never really seemed keen on listening to them.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by miohtama »

tyre wrote: post #253
himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today. In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some fea…

Apple ad revenue is ~10% of rev, with Google deal, and growing. New management is going to turn it less privacy focused company, because Apple needs to pursue growth.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by thewebguyd »

tyre wrote: post #253
himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today. In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some fea…

> Apple is doing the right thing for users.

The right thing for users would be to allow user choice, and for Apple to compete fairly.

Apple allowing third party access doesn't automatically mean user data gets hoovered up by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. It just means users now get the choice, if they want to make that choice. Users could stay with Siri/Apple if they care about what Apple is offering, or choose to accept the risks and terms of service with other third parties.

The EU isn't saying "you must preinstall every competitors offering" its "you must offer the ability for others to hook into the same APIs to be able to offer their own assistant on par with the first party option."

The user still remains in control by virtue of their own choice.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by bilekas »

I like the idea for normal people. Day to day usage who ignore hallucinations is a big market.

> Siri AI coming in English later this year.

Strange way to phrase it, but okay.

> Siri AI will be available In beta later this year and requires an Apple Intelligence–enabled device set to a supported language. Available in English to start. Siri AI will not initially be available in the EU on iOS and iPadOS.

Ah okay, not EU enabled. The only reason for this, in my tinfoil hat, must be for data farming.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by CryptoBanker »

mattmaroon wrote: post #245

I switched from android to iOS 7 years ago and I’ve actually been debating going back just because of how bad iOS is at AI. And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis. And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare. Siri seems to rarely get better and sometimes actually get worse.

> And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare

This has been a problem on iOS since the dawn of time and has nothing to do with AI

Re: Siri AI

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Post by coevcan »

dwroberts wrote: post #222
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #152

I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.

Requiring at least an iPhone 15 Pro also seems like a mistake, unless it’s for actual hardware reasons. The 15 is only 3 years old, this requirement cuts off a lot of potential users I think

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Re: Siri AI

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Post by ex-aws-dude »

arijun wrote: post #24

They’re adding vibecoded shortcuts (the high level scripting for Apple devices). Hopefully that means they worked out some of the long-existing bugs and missing features, but I’m not optimistic. Still, could be a useful tool, especially for less tech-literate people.

How long until they allow sandboxed vibecoded apps?

Seems like the logical next step

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